(Updated below)
I don’t have very much to add to the discussion sparked by the must-watch video of U.S. helicopter gunners mowing down a crowd of mostly unarmed men in a Baghdad street in 2007.
But I did want to point to something I picked up from Glenn Greenwald’s excellent analysis of the video — the depravity and utter lack of decency that one can find on the pages of the leading neocon journal, the Weekly Standard.
Greenwald points us to a piece by Bill Roggio on the Standard’s website that lays out reasons why he thinks Wikileaks mischaracterized the attack, which left two Reuters journalists dead. Roggio relies mostly on fog-of-war-type arguments — these guys are in a war zone, he says, where a U.S. military press release at the time says a gun battle had just occurred. But Roggio himself seems to be lost in the fog:
[S]everal of the men are clearly armed with assault rifles; one appears to have an RPG. Wikileaks purposely chooses not to identify them, but instead focuses on the Reuters cameraman. Why?
Perhaps because they’re the same people. In the video, I can only see one man clearly holding what appears to be an assault rifle. (UPDATED: Upon further review, I’ve spotted what appears to be a second assault rifle.) The other “armed men” Roggio seems to be talking about are the two Reuters employees, 23-year-old Namir Noor-Eldeen and 40-year-old Saaed Shmagh, who both have large cameras with straps over their shoulders. And, I’m just guessing here, based on the direction that indicated figures in the video were walking leading up to the assault, but the “guy crouching around a corner” with an “RPG” (Rocket Propelled Grenade)* — the impetus for the gunner to ask permission to fire on the crowd — looks like it might be one of the Reuters journalists trying to take a photo with a long lens. (UPDATED: Screen shot below; click to enlarge.) A moment later in the video, just before shots are fired, the Reuters employee appears to be shouldering the camera, as noted by Wikileaks. That fog-of-war stuff cuts both ways, I guess.
But what was most disturbing about Roggio’s post is how disconnected he is with the realities of a country embroiled in war — and not in the sense that the military (U.S.) were embroiled in the conflict, but in the sense that the country of Iraq and its peoples were fully embroiled in it.
Roggio writes:
[N]ote how empty the streets are in the video. The only people visible on the streets are the armed men and the accompanying Reuters cameramen. This is a very good indicator that there was a battle going on in the vicinity. Civilians smartly clear the streets during a gunfight.
Then, further down, he addresses the issue of two children that were wounded in the attack. They were riding in a van driven by their father when he stopped to help Rueters’s Shmagh, who was wounded and trying to crawl away from the scene. The U.S. soldiers in the chopper repeatedly — and eagerly — requested permission to fire on the van, which they got, peppering it with rounds.** Roggio asks indignantly where the facts about the children are and — most absurdly — why were they out on the street (my emphasis):
We do not know the medical assessment of the two Iraqi children wounded in the airstrike. We don’t even know if the children were killed in the attack, although you can be sure that if they were Wikileaks would have touted this. (And who drives their kids into the middle of a war zone anyway?)
Here’s a thought, Bill: Maybe the father took his children out because you can’t just keep a kid in the house for years on end while another country is making war on you. In a short follow up video published by Wikileaks, we learn that the children have recovered, but the attack cost them their father, who stopped to help a wounded man (one of the Reuters employees) while driving his children to a class. Does Roggio suggest, since the whole of Baghdad has been unequivocally a “war zone” since 2003, that these kids should not have been in school for the past seven years?
This is a fundamental disconnect that armchair warriors in Washington — chief among them the neocons — have with reality. They don’t consider ‘the other’ at all. That’s why, despite starting the war with an apocalyptic bombing and swift invasion, it never occurred to these hawks that they would have to do any postwar planning. The Iraqis would all love us, and live the rest of their days picking up rubble and happily siphoning off their oil to us.
* In the full video, one of the soldiers on the ground says over the radio that it appears that one of the bodies is lying on top of an RPG round, but this is not ever confirmed.
** Roggio writes about the van:
[C]ritics will undoubtedly be up in arms over the attack on that black van you see that moves in to evacuate the wounded; but it is not a marked ambulance, nor is such a vehicle on the “Protected Collateral Objects” listed in the Rules of Engagement. The van, which was coming to the aid of the fighters, was fair game, even if the men who exited the van weren’t armed.
Roggio needs to clean off his glasses (rose-colored, naturally) or take off his Kool Aid goggles. The van was not, in fact, coming to the aid of any fighters. Rather, the only person the passengers in the van attempted to help before they were gunned down and their van shot up was Shmagh, the Reuters employee. If Roggio watched carefully, he would be able to clearly see this. (I doubt he’s watched the full video, having initially denied its existence to perpetuate his theme of Wikileaks’ nefarious intentions.) Futhermore, just because someone or something is not protected by the Rules of Engagement doesn’t mean that you need to automatically blow it to smithereens.
UPDATE II (4/8/2010): On Democracy Now!, independent film maker Rick Rowley digs into some old footage of eye-witness accounts he took the day after the U.S. helicopter attack, offering cogent comments that poke holes as big as gunship rounds into the U.S. military’s rationale for the attack and the excuse-making of right wingers like those at the Weekly Standard.

Secretarybird
April 7, 2010 @ 5:26 am
“They don’t consider ‘the other’ at all.”
The very definition of a sociopath.
Jon Harrison
April 7, 2010 @ 10:11 am
I too watched the video and it is horrible, painful, tragic. However, much as I dislike the Weekly Standard, some of Roggio’s points are in fact valid. Armchair critics who have never been in battle or heard a shot fired in anger have their own blind spots.
The fact is that incidents of this kind occur all the time in war. It says nothing about the American personnel involved. What it speaks to is the hideousness of war in general and the criminal folly of the Iraq war in particular. This was not My Lai. It was a terrible accident that occurred not because the US personnel involved were monsters, but because they saw a bunch of men in the street, at least one of whom was carrying an AK-47 (not a weapon used by coalition forces). They asked for and received permission to fire on these men pursuant to the rules of engagement laid down by their superiors. It’s horrible that they wound up killing civilians, but the problem, I repeat, is war itself. What you saw on the video happens all the time in war, sad to say.
James
April 7, 2010 @ 10:11 am
The claim that the van was driving into a war zone is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Obviously the helo is pretty far away so there is nothing like loud gunfire coming from the actual scene to alert the man driving the van that he is coming to a war zone.
Unless by war zone he means that particular neighborhood or all of Baghdad, in which case I guess this man should have just emigrated.
stevieb
April 7, 2010 @ 11:40 pm
Everybody’s got a gun in Iraq. You’d be nuts not to have a gun in that country, really. I can’t understand instantly mowing someone down without knowing who are what they are. Those are war crimes, period….
the right wing sociopaths in this country applaud this BULLSHIT
April 8, 2010 @ 1:27 am
In blog after blog for the past couple days, all I see are remarks from right wing piles of putrid monkey shit, talking about how this is just fine, and that all muslims deserve this kind of illegitimate war criminality.
well, I have a message for you right wingers, if and when the balloon goes up here in this country into a ‘civil war’, I hope your asses are mistaken for the ‘enemy’ by those very same Apache gunships, and that you all get blown the fuck to kingdom come for what you are and how you think, because opinion is one thing, but SOCIOPATHY is a sickness, assholes!
Gazza
April 8, 2010 @ 3:02 am
Jon Harrison,
The fact that two of the men in the clip appear to carry AK47s does not actually indicate that they are insurgents. Baghdad in 2007 was in the grip of widespread civil upheaval and inter-communal clashes between Sunni and Shia, not to mention AQ terror attacks. Under the circumstances, I’d be surprised if noone in the group was armed. How do the air-crew distinguish between a member of a civilian defence militia, or an undercover/plainclothes police office? Unless the armed men in question engage in a threatening posture towards coalition or Iraqi goverment security forces, the principle of reasonable doubt should demand that no action be taken.
This is a clear example of US military goons being unable to control their base urges to “get their guns off” and kill a bunch of “sand niggers”. They wanted these men to be insurgents, so they interpreted events accordingly. They wanted to see guns and ill intent, so that is what they decided they saw. They wanted to see RPGs, so thats what they reported they saw. They wanted to blow away the sole survivor, so they openly willed him to touch something that looked like a weapon. They wanted to blow away the black van, so they “saw” the driver “collecting wounded fighters” and “picking up weapons”.
The fact that the air crew followed the rules of engagement and sought permission actually means nothing, because they relayed the “facts” to their superiors in a deliberatly false manner, framed in such a way as to elicit the desired response, ie permisison to fire. Remember that their superiors are not recieving the video feed, so can only go on what is verbally relayed to them.
This air crew committed a clear war crime, but as usual the new-age Nazis aka US military will always protect its own, regardless of law or morality.
Don
April 8, 2010 @ 3:09 am
Jon, I am so sick of the kind of softcore defense of genocide you and others are putting out there. When you say “the problem, I repeat, is war itself” you engage in the worst kind of fallacy–you lump all “war” together, and shake your head at the inevitable consequences of any war. Our “war” in (with?) Iraq is being waged for no valid reason. We relied on lies as an excuse to recklessly attack a country that posed zero danger to us and in doing so we slaughtered its innocent children, and continue to do so as I type this. I’m afraid “Support the troops” has become a disgusting smokescreen. It’s time to say it: our military is a volunteer force, and anyone who currently volunteers to put on an American uniform is morally bankrupt. Let me put it simply: I don’t support the troops.
Don
April 8, 2010 @ 3:37 am
Also, Jon: “It says nothing about the American personnel involved.” Really? We see a horribly wounded man crawling on the ground. High above, from his vastly superior vantage point, we hear an American soldier practically beg the wounded man to grab a weapon, so that he can slaughter him. “Bloodthirsty” is the word that comes to mind. Laughter at the plight of the dead and dying is heard repeatedly. And when the Americans realize they have injured innocent children, do they express concern? No. They sullenly assert that it was “their” fault for bringing children into a battle they started. What we saw was institutionalized depravity–indeed, it’s the only way men in uniform can enthusiastically perform their jobs when it is painfully obvious to the rest of the world that they are not heroic or even good, but just pitiful pawns doing the bidding of evil leaders.
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[...] Ali Gharib captures the essence of the mindset of Washington’s numerous Sofa Samurai: This is a fundamental disconnect that armchair warriors in Washington — chief among them the neocons — have with reality. They don’t consider ‘the other’ at all. That’s why, despite starting the war with an apocalyptic bombing and swift invasion, it never occurred to these hawks that they would have to do any postwar planning. The Iraqis would all love us, and live the rest of their days picking up rubble and happily siphoning off their oil to us. [...]
andy
April 8, 2010 @ 5:08 am
The neo-cons are such a disgusting bunch of reprehensible scum.
How anyone can watch that video and come away making excuses for it needs to take a long hard look in the mirror .
To understand the reaction to this in the muslim world is easy, simply put Americans in the shoes of the Iraqi’s and ask yourself what the reaction would be if the roles were reversed.
Neo-cons and war party cheerleaders have a real hard time empathizing with anyone, I don’t think we’ve seen this type of mindset since 1930’s Germany, which is ironic because thats the period the neo-cons use to demonize all their enemies, “saddam is the new hitler” “ahmadinejad is the new hitler” ……. well, the neo-cons are the new Nazis.
All one has to do is read the nazi archives, you can read the exact justifications for mass murder, it’s classic brown shirt propaganda, blame the victims first, make up false claims, and claim the actions were taken to protect the greater good.
Perhaps it’s time to just call the neo-cons what they are, neo-nazi’s.
Augustbrhm
April 8, 2010 @ 5:40 am
Since america inception they have been murdering everyone that they get their hands on.They are the cause of every conflict worldwide.Thank the creator that theyre broke and that should lessen the invasion, killing and not to forget their pet israel.As a human I never thought I would despise america as I do.
Roger Lafontaine
April 8, 2010 @ 5:44 am
It is not so much the ‘fog’ of war as it is the stirring up of hatred, the ‘cloud of hatred’ that is stirred up in the training and conditioning for war. That does not so much blind as create a kind of delusion, a ‘dream state’ if you will, very similar to the dream state that occurs under heavy use of drugs. That often results in breakdowns after the term of service is over. Conscience is the only real antidote to this. That is why it is always seized upon when it rears its head and quickly extinguished.
DICKERSON3870
April 8, 2010 @ 10:00 am
RE: “the must-watch video of U.S. helicopter gunners mowing down a crowd of mostly unarmed men in a Baghdad street in 2007″
MY COMMENT: I just love the idea of a “white guy” using the moniker “Crazy Horse 18″ flying around Iraq in an “Apache” helicopter “gun ship” and using a machine gun and Hellfire™ missiles to “light up” Iraqi civilians (including children). It just doesn’t get any better than that! Why couldn’t I have been in the ‘Twin Towers’ on 9/11 and thereby been spared being subjected to this ‘freak show’?
Tod Browning’s “Freaks” (1932) – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0022913/
Jim Wetzel
April 8, 2010 @ 10:03 am
And here’s a jolly thought: when The Beloved Troops get back here and eventually are no longer Troops, lots of them become cops. Sweet dreams, fellow Amur’kins.
Strider
April 8, 2010 @ 10:32 am
Roger Lafontaine makes an interesting point about the “fog of war” vs. the “dream state” of heavy drug use. It’s been widely reported that US troops in the war zones are routinely ordered to take all sorts of psychotropic and other medications to treat their physical wounds and cover up their PTSD. So we now see the result of both mental states combining with and reinforcing each other.
Jaime
April 8, 2010 @ 11:44 am
Wow Don. I couldn’t have put it better.
El Tonno
April 8, 2010 @ 5:43 pm
I anyone is old enough to remember KAL007 – this is **exactly** the same situation.
The helico crew sounds to be really high strung and on coffeine, probably stimmed and full of adrenaline [They should chill out: The in-flight duration of bullets indicate that they must be more than 3 km away from the "insurgents", so they are not in immediate danger]. Crew is also (trivially) succumbing to confirmation bias – they look for AKs and RPGs, and so they clearly find them. They do NOT look for cameras, obviously. But they are not cheating about what they see either. They phone in, and the guy on the other side gives them the “go ahead”. Of course he does- In his mind, the situation is very clearcut. In his mind he sees a group of armed dudes, then a mystery van coming to rescue them.
No warcrime here. Just military doing their military stuff with standoff weapons. These guys are not policemen – we might wish this to be so, but it ain’t.
It’s clear what’s wrong: There should be no Apache helicopter howering around. There should be no US forces there.
Time to go home.
jon greystoke
April 8, 2010 @ 6:29 pm
A small issue that I believe no one has touched on is the issue of one man. The man driving the van. If his family had to rely upon information from the military then they might believe he was a parttime insurgent whereas a comfort that might help just a little is knowing that their father stopped to help a injured man in the immediate aftermath (or momentary lapse) of a battle if raining armament. Some comfort of knowing that their father died as a brave samaritan. This is what the coverup has been denying to that mans family – so I dont believe everyone should be selflessly focusing on how this incident is effecting them (eg not in our name and other such blowback issues) but how it is affecting the people actually involved.
Mike
April 8, 2010 @ 10:05 pm
While events like this happen in war, defending the troops with that fact is foolish. Listening to the audio, the young gunner clearly was desperate to kill someone and was practically begging to open fire. I am not saying that they should be punished based upon this video. It is the mentality of our officer corps that should be challenged. It is the idea that if only they had been allowed to be as brutal as they wanted to be, we would have won in Vietnam. They appear to be out to prove it. Let’s hold the officers responsible this time and not the people who were just following orders. It is no surprise to me that we will “lose” badly in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq will be very close to Iran now and between them they will control around 40% of the world’s oil supply. After all of the NATO members withdraw, eventually Obama will withdraw most of the U.S. troops. The fact that the military insists that this shooting is justified explains why we will fail in Iraq. This has probably been repeated a thousand times. There probably have been a million civilian deaths in Iraq, equivalent to 9 million deaths in the U.S. After this, perhaps we can base the entire Army is the U.S. and cut defense spending to about 1/3 of what it is now. The terrorist attacks will probably cease immediately but if not, at least the army will here to protect us.
Jon Harrison
April 9, 2010 @ 7:41 am
To those who criticized my comments: I carefully read what you had to say. I found some of Mike’s remarks thoughtful and sensible, but the rest of you expressed nothing but juvenile emotion. Certainly, nothing said so far would change my views. But I thank you for taking the time to write.
Don
April 9, 2010 @ 11:57 am
Jon,
Please keep posting/bleating insipidly. Your comments stand as a kind of parody of all that is wrong with America.
Jon Harrison
April 9, 2010 @ 2:59 pm
Thank you, Don. It’s rather amusing to find oneself subjected to an ad hominem attack (though a rather mediocre one, I must say) on a Friday afternoon.
Jean-ollivier
April 12, 2010 @ 10:51 am
Is it really “amusing to find oneself subjected to an ad hominem attack [...] on a Friday afternoon” ? A pity that the van’s driver can’t answer any longer.