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		<title>By: joel</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/the-chalabsey-twins/comment-page-1/#comment-14499</link>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is it that the truth seems so increasingly irrelevant in politics, especially the united states( but far from alone in this)?
So many debates where the actual truth seems to be avoided at all costs, as if the belief that the public cant handle the truth. Thats why bush&#039;s political friends in other nations are falling by the wayside( blairs gone, johnny howard in australia, spain and the list goes on), its time for politicians to pay attention, the people of this world are getting fed up with being conned and lied to by people who come up with such wonderful concepts as; we went to war to save the peace( bush jr)
come on, enough is enough, people want honesty and integrity and substance not beligerent rhetoric and policy making that create the very environment they claim to be preventing. this past few years has seen a huge number of people worldwide waking up to the lies and actually slowly but surely the momentum is gaining
So be warned mccain and co, you&#039;re dinosaurs who are soon going to be extinct in this changing global climate of politics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is it that the truth seems so increasingly irrelevant in politics, especially the united states( but far from alone in this)?<br />
So many debates where the actual truth seems to be avoided at all costs, as if the belief that the public cant handle the truth. Thats why bush&#8217;s political friends in other nations are falling by the wayside( blairs gone, johnny howard in australia, spain and the list goes on), its time for politicians to pay attention, the people of this world are getting fed up with being conned and lied to by people who come up with such wonderful concepts as; we went to war to save the peace( bush jr)<br />
come on, enough is enough, people want honesty and integrity and substance not beligerent rhetoric and policy making that create the very environment they claim to be preventing. this past few years has seen a huge number of people worldwide waking up to the lies and actually slowly but surely the momentum is gaining<br />
So be warned mccain and co, you&#8217;re dinosaurs who are soon going to be extinct in this changing global climate of politics</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy B. Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/the-chalabsey-twins/comment-page-1/#comment-14488</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy B. Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 03:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked your &quot;twins&quot; analogy.  My comment Is an excerpt from one of my poems, &quot;Dissent Is Needed&quot;:

&quot;When we search out the aims of the nefarious games,  Of the war party&#039;s persistent goals,  Dissent helps forestall the inexcusable gall  Of these power-mad, conscienceless souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked your &#8220;twins&#8221; analogy.  My comment Is an excerpt from one of my poems, &#8220;Dissent Is Needed&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;When we search out the aims of the nefarious games,  Of the war party&#8217;s persistent goals,  Dissent helps forestall the inexcusable gall  Of these power-mad, conscienceless souls.</p>
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		<title>By: Dahoumia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dahoumia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before one begins airily supporting democracy in the Middle East, it is important to take into account the recent history of the Arab world, particularly the former Ottoman territory which was liberated - and immediately re-subjugated -  by Britain and France after World War One.

 Virtually all of the borders and most of the governments, imposed on the former Ottoman Arabs in the decade following that world conflict still exist. The &quot;nations&quot; so established were intentionally designed to be weak, so that they could be kept in line and under control by their neo-colonial masters. This scheme was in direct contravention of repeated promises of unity, independence and self-determination made by the British and French to their wartime Arab allies (the Arab Revolt). 

It is only a slight exaggeration to say that all of the reactionary evils that hem-in the core Arab region and corrupt Arab politics from within - the existence of Israel, the existence, extent and influence of Saudi Arabia, Lebanese-style sectarianism, the strength of the theocratic movements; whether emanating from the Muslim Brotherhood, Riyadh or Tehran, the current weakness (one hopes, temporary) of the Pan-Arab national movement - either originated or owe their strength and influence to western imperialism.

According to a proper understanding of this history it is obvious that any and all  US interventions in that part of the world - regardless of the usual lofty and laudable stated motives - are basically and ultimately imperialistic. 

Nations and peoples are seldom freed from imperialism through peaceful democratic actions. Particularly in the Middle East, where so much power and wealth is at stake, and where a neo-colonial shceme is so deeply entrenched, any movement, party, or coalition capable of overthrowing the present system is likely not going to be perceived as democratic, pro-western, or peaceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before one begins airily supporting democracy in the Middle East, it is important to take into account the recent history of the Arab world, particularly the former Ottoman territory which was liberated &#8211; and immediately re-subjugated &#8211;  by Britain and France after World War One.</p>
<p> Virtually all of the borders and most of the governments, imposed on the former Ottoman Arabs in the decade following that world conflict still exist. The &#8220;nations&#8221; so established were intentionally designed to be weak, so that they could be kept in line and under control by their neo-colonial masters. This scheme was in direct contravention of repeated promises of unity, independence and self-determination made by the British and French to their wartime Arab allies (the Arab Revolt). </p>
<p>It is only a slight exaggeration to say that all of the reactionary evils that hem-in the core Arab region and corrupt Arab politics from within &#8211; the existence of Israel, the existence, extent and influence of Saudi Arabia, Lebanese-style sectarianism, the strength of the theocratic movements; whether emanating from the Muslim Brotherhood, Riyadh or Tehran, the current weakness (one hopes, temporary) of the Pan-Arab national movement &#8211; either originated or owe their strength and influence to western imperialism.</p>
<p>According to a proper understanding of this history it is obvious that any and all  US interventions in that part of the world &#8211; regardless of the usual lofty and laudable stated motives &#8211; are basically and ultimately imperialistic. </p>
<p>Nations and peoples are seldom freed from imperialism through peaceful democratic actions. Particularly in the Middle East, where so much power and wealth is at stake, and where a neo-colonial shceme is so deeply entrenched, any movement, party, or coalition capable of overthrowing the present system is likely not going to be perceived as democratic, pro-western, or peaceful.</p>
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		<title>By: george in Toronto</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/the-chalabsey-twins/comment-page-1/#comment-14422</link>
		<dc:creator>george in Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott--I suggest you see this clip before you mention Liberial press--No such animal in USi
http://www.brasschecktv.com:80/page/43.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott&#8211;I suggest you see this clip before you mention Liberial press&#8211;No such animal in USi<br />
<a href="http://www.brasschecktv.com:80/page/43.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brasschecktv.com:80/page/43.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: fdoleza</title>
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		<dc:creator>fdoleza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The neocons don&#039;t call for democracy....they call for empire. The American people are being swindled by con-men into supporting a drive to create a hegemonic empire, run by Washington, in turn heavily influenced by Israelis and their agents, weapons merchants, and other mercantilist interests. And we shouldn&#039;t forget the Israel lobby and its pernicious influence on American foreign policy. 

As for democracy, it doesn&#039;t work if the &quot;electorate&quot; is ill-educated and there&#039;s no civility nor willingness to compromise. Iraq doesn&#039;t have democracy, neither does Afghanistan. As for American democracy, it gave the country Bush and the idiots in Congress. So what&#039;s so good about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The neocons don&#8217;t call for democracy&#8230;.they call for empire. The American people are being swindled by con-men into supporting a drive to create a hegemonic empire, run by Washington, in turn heavily influenced by Israelis and their agents, weapons merchants, and other mercantilist interests. And we shouldn&#8217;t forget the Israel lobby and its pernicious influence on American foreign policy. </p>
<p>As for democracy, it doesn&#8217;t work if the &#8220;electorate&#8221; is ill-educated and there&#8217;s no civility nor willingness to compromise. Iraq doesn&#8217;t have democracy, neither does Afghanistan. As for American democracy, it gave the country Bush and the idiots in Congress. So what&#8217;s so good about it?</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 15:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I was wondering if you read Paul Craig Roberts attack of the Iraq propaganda vis a vis Al Sadr.  Al Sadr is widely criticized as being in league with Iran.  Yet, PCRoberts suggests that he is the most pro-Iraqi Shia leader.  Yet, the reporting we&#039;ve heard has tried to conflate Al Sadr with Iran.  

This nasty nexus between Chalabi, (and Al Maliki for that matter) and Iran seems much tighter.  Now it appears Chalabi is a venal man, ergo his affiliation is open to the highest bidder.  Al Sadr, like Nassrallah seems to be his own man and principled.  They both seem to have the ability to restrain their legions, to make thoughtful, calculated decisions.  I am not so sure about ourselves, sadly.  

I believe the Neo-cons are right when they call for democracy.  Unfortunately, they don&#039;t believe in their own credo--or haven&#039;t found conditions suitable to allow the dirty Arabs their own representation.  This sounds like Cuban history from 1903-1955.  We call for democracy, undermine that democracy for our own machevellian ends--offending those whom we democratize so long as they dance to our tune.

It seems those who respect democracy might try to influence those allies who&#039;s own democratic standing is thin.  Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan will be overthrown by their own people who at that point will harbor deep resentment for our double standards.  It seems those who respect democracy would push for (gradual) reforms like a liberalized press, political alternatives to the lone ruling parties that dominate their people.  We are fighting ourselves here.  Pity, the press misses these hypocrisies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I was wondering if you read Paul Craig Roberts attack of the Iraq propaganda vis a vis Al Sadr.  Al Sadr is widely criticized as being in league with Iran.  Yet, PCRoberts suggests that he is the most pro-Iraqi Shia leader.  Yet, the reporting we&#8217;ve heard has tried to conflate Al Sadr with Iran.  </p>
<p>This nasty nexus between Chalabi, (and Al Maliki for that matter) and Iran seems much tighter.  Now it appears Chalabi is a venal man, ergo his affiliation is open to the highest bidder.  Al Sadr, like Nassrallah seems to be his own man and principled.  They both seem to have the ability to restrain their legions, to make thoughtful, calculated decisions.  I am not so sure about ourselves, sadly.  </p>
<p>I believe the Neo-cons are right when they call for democracy.  Unfortunately, they don&#8217;t believe in their own credo&#8211;or haven&#8217;t found conditions suitable to allow the dirty Arabs their own representation.  This sounds like Cuban history from 1903-1955.  We call for democracy, undermine that democracy for our own machevellian ends&#8211;offending those whom we democratize so long as they dance to our tune.</p>
<p>It seems those who respect democracy might try to influence those allies who&#8217;s own democratic standing is thin.  Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan will be overthrown by their own people who at that point will harbor deep resentment for our double standards.  It seems those who respect democracy would push for (gradual) reforms like a liberalized press, political alternatives to the lone ruling parties that dominate their people.  We are fighting ourselves here.  Pity, the press misses these hypocrisies.</p>
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