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		<title>By: DE Teodoru</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/speaking-of-humiliation/comment-page-1/#comment-19271</link>
		<dc:creator>DE Teodoru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo David!

The real issue is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
Don&#039;t let anyone fool you. But you must also appreciate this &quot;mensch&quot; thing coming from a culture where you either excelled with your mind or with your muscles and not with your cash-- the neocons, punny narcicistic ugly dimunitive Leninists with no special talent at anything in a Jewish society that thought of wealth as something you share with the community, grabbed up the various prestige Jewish publications and used them for hate propaganda. That&#039;s not how non-Red Jews ever were or are. In fact, I recall meeting often with the old leaders of the Federation of Jewish Philantropies: no money or support for war or for killing Palestinians there!

The neocon $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ didn&#039;t come from a few rich Jews seeking to use cash instead of Viagra to feel like men, but initially but from WASP aerospace weapons friends of for-sale Sen. Jackson who, like McCain, would do anything to be President-- the same ones that got Republican members of Congess by the boat load (and more on the way) into prison. Later, old shysters who wanted to be somebody manly-seeming, besides rich, funded their Zio-Likud ops, but that came later in the neocon career. 

The money trail is clear: Leninism--&gt;CIA--&gt;strategic weapons inc.--&gt; Zionism....with the last a rather new hat for the neocons.

My prayer to God above is that, though Americans got really stupid and herd-like under Bush-Rove-- they will disinguish the small cabal of immoral cruds that got them into a bloody mess of WW IV in the Mideast for the sake of war toys and the mass majority of Jews who are the pillars of our society and Western Civilization and want peace and progress. Caring about Israel-- I certainly do, though not even circumcized-- is not the same as wanting WW IV. The latter has nothing to do with Zionism. It&#039;s all for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo David!</p>
<p>The real issue is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$<br />
Don&#8217;t let anyone fool you. But you must also appreciate this &#8220;mensch&#8221; thing coming from a culture where you either excelled with your mind or with your muscles and not with your cash&#8211; the neocons, punny narcicistic ugly dimunitive Leninists with no special talent at anything in a Jewish society that thought of wealth as something you share with the community, grabbed up the various prestige Jewish publications and used them for hate propaganda. That&#8217;s not how non-Red Jews ever were or are. In fact, I recall meeting often with the old leaders of the Federation of Jewish Philantropies: no money or support for war or for killing Palestinians there!</p>
<p>The neocon $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ didn&#8217;t come from a few rich Jews seeking to use cash instead of Viagra to feel like men, but initially but from WASP aerospace weapons friends of for-sale Sen. Jackson who, like McCain, would do anything to be President&#8211; the same ones that got Republican members of Congess by the boat load (and more on the way) into prison. Later, old shysters who wanted to be somebody manly-seeming, besides rich, funded their Zio-Likud ops, but that came later in the neocon career. </p>
<p>The money trail is clear: Leninism&#8211;&gt;CIA&#8211;&gt;strategic weapons inc.&#8211;&gt; Zionism&#8230;.with the last a rather new hat for the neocons.</p>
<p>My prayer to God above is that, though Americans got really stupid and herd-like under Bush-Rove&#8211; they will disinguish the small cabal of immoral cruds that got them into a bloody mess of WW IV in the Mideast for the sake of war toys and the mass majority of Jews who are the pillars of our society and Western Civilization and want peace and progress. Caring about Israel&#8211; I certainly do, though not even circumcized&#8211; is not the same as wanting WW IV. The latter has nothing to do with Zionism. It&#8217;s all for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$</p>
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		<title>By: David Green</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/speaking-of-humiliation/comment-page-1/#comment-19169</link>
		<dc:creator>David Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, personal experience does not explain political ideology. I&#039;m Jewish and was beat up by white kids. I don&#039;t hate whites. Everybody has their individual pathology. It may disrupt their relationships and their families, the unconscious is powerful. That doesn&#039;t mean it has to distort our view of who is the victimizer and who is the victim. These people are motivated by power and privilege. Their complaints about government and bureaucracy are ludicrously hypocritical--they commandeer government to make war. Yes, the psychoanalysis is interesting to those of us (including me) who&#039;ve been following the neocon soap opera for 40 years, all the way back to Ocean Hill-Brownsville. But in the final analysis it&#039;s not all that helpful. Let&#039;s talk about class, race, privilege, militarism, etc. Look at Chomsky&#039;s background, and what he did with it. The neocons, and not only them, just don&#039;t have a thought process based on compassion and human decency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, personal experience does not explain political ideology. I&#8217;m Jewish and was beat up by white kids. I don&#8217;t hate whites. Everybody has their individual pathology. It may disrupt their relationships and their families, the unconscious is powerful. That doesn&#8217;t mean it has to distort our view of who is the victimizer and who is the victim. These people are motivated by power and privilege. Their complaints about government and bureaucracy are ludicrously hypocritical&#8211;they commandeer government to make war. Yes, the psychoanalysis is interesting to those of us (including me) who&#8217;ve been following the neocon soap opera for 40 years, all the way back to Ocean Hill-Brownsville. But in the final analysis it&#8217;s not all that helpful. Let&#8217;s talk about class, race, privilege, militarism, etc. Look at Chomsky&#8217;s background, and what he did with it. The neocons, and not only them, just don&#8217;t have a thought process based on compassion and human decency.</p>
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		<title>By: DE Teodoru</title>
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		<dc:creator>DE Teodoru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you look so kind and gentle and write with such caring for the subject that I hate to see you duped. After the &quot;ya ain&#039;t no mesch&quot; problem, the young neocons had that schizoid personality of the rebelious 60s Jewish youth who hated their money-oriented community and dreamed of screwing a shiktza chick: they also hated their $$$ oriented parents who cared only for the gelt and not the guilt that made the 30s and 60s so &quot;revolutionary,&quot;  doing anything to get attention, and their own youthful search for manliness at a time when getting layed was becoming a ubiquitous reality rather than masturbatory fantacy. Alas, few of these guys managed to settle for anything short of the Queen Ugly or sloppy seconds after some &quot;Frenchy&quot; had given the future Mrs. a good run. And then Jewish American women are soooo humiliating and dominering to their men!

So what&#039;s left in your scenecent Viagra won&#039;t do anymore years? The answer is power and cash. They were whores, two-bit-publicits for the aerospace industry that panicked over the end of the Cold War. There also existed a lot of pushy filthy rich Laron midget Zionazis from Likud with mensch problems of their own-- who hated Jewish intellectuals who made history instead of just money. These rich midgets treated Zionism like elevator shoes and felt that Israel was falling behind in living up to its flag: the Jews only state (the Star of David) between the two rivers (the blue lines), Nile and Eupretes. Stinking with cash, these guys bought for the neocons at 5c on the dollar the old anti-Red ops that WASP Capitalism no longer felt worth funding after the USSR collapsed and these became the neocons&#039; entry into the Republican-Conservative Party. There, their Lenininst &quot;polarization&quot; tactics proved very useful (as in calling the over 80% of Jews that hate them, &quot;self-hating Jews&quot;). So now each neocon has some doe and a nice pad and an ugly wife and &quot;mesch-hood&quot; from starting World War IV. But they are puny &quot;wish-I-was&quot; types who send others to die and take a cut from the crooks. Perhaps, like GW Bush, we should forget about them and just tell Poppy: You were right, they are a bunch of small dicked sh-ts and nothing else....So let&#039;s forget them and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you look so kind and gentle and write with such caring for the subject that I hate to see you duped. After the &#8220;ya ain&#8217;t no mesch&#8221; problem, the young neocons had that schizoid personality of the rebelious 60s Jewish youth who hated their money-oriented community and dreamed of screwing a shiktza chick: they also hated their $$$ oriented parents who cared only for the gelt and not the guilt that made the 30s and 60s so &#8220;revolutionary,&#8221;  doing anything to get attention, and their own youthful search for manliness at a time when getting layed was becoming a ubiquitous reality rather than masturbatory fantacy. Alas, few of these guys managed to settle for anything short of the Queen Ugly or sloppy seconds after some &#8220;Frenchy&#8221; had given the future Mrs. a good run. And then Jewish American women are soooo humiliating and dominering to their men!</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s left in your scenecent Viagra won&#8217;t do anymore years? The answer is power and cash. They were whores, two-bit-publicits for the aerospace industry that panicked over the end of the Cold War. There also existed a lot of pushy filthy rich Laron midget Zionazis from Likud with mensch problems of their own&#8211; who hated Jewish intellectuals who made history instead of just money. These rich midgets treated Zionism like elevator shoes and felt that Israel was falling behind in living up to its flag: the Jews only state (the Star of David) between the two rivers (the blue lines), Nile and Eupretes. Stinking with cash, these guys bought for the neocons at 5c on the dollar the old anti-Red ops that WASP Capitalism no longer felt worth funding after the USSR collapsed and these became the neocons&#8217; entry into the Republican-Conservative Party. There, their Lenininst &#8220;polarization&#8221; tactics proved very useful (as in calling the over 80% of Jews that hate them, &#8220;self-hating Jews&#8221;). So now each neocon has some doe and a nice pad and an ugly wife and &#8220;mesch-hood&#8221; from starting World War IV. But they are puny &#8220;wish-I-was&#8221; types who send others to die and take a cut from the crooks. Perhaps, like GW Bush, we should forget about them and just tell Poppy: You were right, they are a bunch of small dicked sh-ts and nothing else&#8230;.So let&#8217;s forget them and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/speaking-of-humiliation/comment-page-1/#comment-18999</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rage and vindictiveness of Zionists wouldn&#039;t matter if their agenda wasn&#039;t useful to US imperialism. Obviously, they attached themselves to this imperial agenda as a way of getting power. In return, they continue the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and their human rights violations with virutal impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rage and vindictiveness of Zionists wouldn&#8217;t matter if their agenda wasn&#8217;t useful to US imperialism. Obviously, they attached themselves to this imperial agenda as a way of getting power. In return, they continue the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and their human rights violations with virutal impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/speaking-of-humiliation/comment-page-1/#comment-18997</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everyone’s a victim. Poor little neo-con. So what is John Bolton’s excuse or Dick Cheney’s? Why don’t we see Black neo-cons or Indians? Sorry save the pop psych for someone else, I’m not buying it. These are just power hungry men, no excuses.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everyone’s a victim. Poor little neo-con. So what is John Bolton’s excuse or Dick Cheney’s? Why don’t we see Black neo-cons or Indians? Sorry save the pop psych for someone else, I’m not buying it. These are just power hungry men, no excuses.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vera Beaudin Saeedpour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vera Beaudin Saeedpour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would that a history of humiliation were enough to explain Jewish paranoia, fed and led by Zionists in Israel and in the U.S. --under the neocon rubric. There is more.  I recall that on the website of True Torah Jews there was a quote from Zionist Itzhak Gruenwald back in the 1930&#039;s. And it was this: &quot;One cow in Palestine is worth all more than all the Jews in Poland.&quot; And I recall the statement of Rabbi Moshe Schonfeld during that war (Holocaust Victims Accuse, 1977): ..the shedding of Jewish blood in the  Diaspora is necessary in order for us to demand the establishment of a &#039;Jewish&#039; state before the peace commission..Czech Jewry must resign itself to annihilation in the Auschwitz crematoria.&quot; Humiliation and shame do not suffice to explain the JZionist malaise, which the powers that be and the powers that would be in Washington, including both presidential candidates, continue to feed--at Israel&#039;s peril and surely at America&#039;s peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would that a history of humiliation were enough to explain Jewish paranoia, fed and led by Zionists in Israel and in the U.S. &#8211;under the neocon rubric. There is more.  I recall that on the website of True Torah Jews there was a quote from Zionist Itzhak Gruenwald back in the 1930&#8217;s. And it was this: &#8220;One cow in Palestine is worth all more than all the Jews in Poland.&#8221; And I recall the statement of Rabbi Moshe Schonfeld during that war (Holocaust Victims Accuse, 1977): ..the shedding of Jewish blood in the  Diaspora is necessary in order for us to demand the establishment of a &#8216;Jewish&#8217; state before the peace commission..Czech Jewry must resign itself to annihilation in the Auschwitz crematoria.&#8221; Humiliation and shame do not suffice to explain the JZionist malaise, which the powers that be and the powers that would be in Washington, including both presidential candidates, continue to feed&#8211;at Israel&#8217;s peril and surely at America&#8217;s peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill W, NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill W, NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your article is a poor explanation/defense for war crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your article is a poor explanation/defense for war crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately there seem to still be a few adults in powerful positions in Washington. Per Seymour Hersch, Robert Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a preemptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, &#039;We&#039;ll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.&#039; Gates&#039;s comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch.&quot; (Naive Democrats don&#039;t count among the adults.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately there seem to still be a few adults in powerful positions in Washington. Per Seymour Hersch, Robert Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a preemptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, &#8216;We&#8217;ll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.&#8217; Gates&#8217;s comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch.&#8221; (Naive Democrats don&#8217;t count among the adults.)</p>
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		<title>By: Renfro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renfro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so agree with  what...

George Corsetti Says: 

July 9th, 2008 at 9:27 am 
As a criminal defense lawyer who at times represents sexual abusers, I find that the interview soon evolves to their own victimization at the hands of other sexual abusers. They do onto others as has been done onto them. It is their reality. That’s how the world is. Humiliation takes many forms — ask Japanese-Americans during WW II, Arab-Americans….

But the answer is obvious. The way to stop this daisy chain of humiliation is to put a stop to it now, to make it legally and socially unacceptable. Like drunk driving, negative reinforcement works. Its time to crank up the war crimes tribunal&quot;

......because regardless of the reason behind the zionist cult, or the Bush father complex or the Cheney paranoia or the irrational religious cults and the fears of the little people that brought us to where we are now...the point is they have to be stopped. 

Now. While we still have something that resembles a country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so agree with  what&#8230;</p>
<p>George Corsetti Says: </p>
<p>July 9th, 2008 at 9:27 am<br />
As a criminal defense lawyer who at times represents sexual abusers, I find that the interview soon evolves to their own victimization at the hands of other sexual abusers. They do onto others as has been done onto them. It is their reality. That’s how the world is. Humiliation takes many forms — ask Japanese-Americans during WW II, Arab-Americans….</p>
<p>But the answer is obvious. The way to stop this daisy chain of humiliation is to put a stop to it now, to make it legally and socially unacceptable. Like drunk driving, negative reinforcement works. Its time to crank up the war crimes tribunal&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;because regardless of the reason behind the zionist cult, or the Bush father complex or the Cheney paranoia or the irrational religious cults and the fears of the little people that brought us to where we are now&#8230;the point is they have to be stopped. </p>
<p>Now. While we still have something that resembles a country.</p>
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		<title>By: s masty</title>
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		<dc:creator>s masty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, those beaten as children are more likely to beat their own children.

those arrogant American Likudniks, so rapidly dissembling America&#039;s human rights structure, may indvertantly pave the way for the next Genocide. In 1933/4 the Reichstag repealed laws that would have saved the lives of German Jews later. If antisemitism crops up here, as it has reared its head elsewhere, it would be tragic but also most ironic if the repeal of similar laws was partly facilitated by Jews themselves. I have two friends, both rabbis, who are quite worried about this. 

And it is not out of the question, in Wilhelmine Germany, Jewish Germans paid something like 25% of the personal income tax, far above their percent of population, because they were so integrated, hard working and successful: no wonder so many of them felt (falsely) secure there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, those beaten as children are more likely to beat their own children.</p>
<p>those arrogant American Likudniks, so rapidly dissembling America&#8217;s human rights structure, may indvertantly pave the way for the next Genocide. In 1933/4 the Reichstag repealed laws that would have saved the lives of German Jews later. If antisemitism crops up here, as it has reared its head elsewhere, it would be tragic but also most ironic if the repeal of similar laws was partly facilitated by Jews themselves. I have two friends, both rabbis, who are quite worried about this. </p>
<p>And it is not out of the question, in Wilhelmine Germany, Jewish Germans paid something like 25% of the personal income tax, far above their percent of population, because they were so integrated, hard working and successful: no wonder so many of them felt (falsely) secure there.</p>
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