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		<title>By: Paul Legato</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/neo-con-sophistry-at-its-most-confusing/comment-page-1/#comment-8644</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Legato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ scott: They&#039;re certainly arrogant, but they&#039;re definitely not stupid. That&#039;s the scary part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ scott: They&#8217;re certainly arrogant, but they&#8217;re definitely not stupid. That&#8217;s the scary part.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/neo-con-sophistry-at-its-most-confusing/comment-page-1/#comment-8328</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as to redoubling our efforts.  Iraq had just emerged from 12 yrs of war with Iran, then we bombed the shit out of that country in the Persian Gulf War.  Then for 12 years we overflew, spied on and bombed them while starving them with sanctions.  Then we attacked them again.  Then, we entered the shithole we created.  And a country and people so devastated, so powerless can rout our efforts?  

If these beaten people can throw off our controls, and I assert the same is true of Vietnam and unknown numbers of South and Central American countries, we need to abandon our miltary.  Evidently, the benign suburban skaters that was my pre-auto teen experience could so flummox the US military that we should cut the Trillion dollar defense budget to nil and invite any impetuous aspiring empire to bring it on.  It is folly to think that there are rewards abroad that can be stolen and brought back without an equal or greater blowback.

The neo-cons are stupid and arrogant.  These are the pre-requisites of sophistry, the total absence of integrity or sincerity completes the package.  This lack of character is what allows someone to grope for excuses even those that would condemn their own perspective.  But it is their arrogance, that they are defending.  They are so conceited they refuse to consider others, or other perspectives.  These are the Pharisees,  and the courteans that that murmur &quot;tut-tut&quot; while chaos engulfs the palaces where the obsequious sycophants genuflect before the illusion of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as to redoubling our efforts.  Iraq had just emerged from 12 yrs of war with Iran, then we bombed the shit out of that country in the Persian Gulf War.  Then for 12 years we overflew, spied on and bombed them while starving them with sanctions.  Then we attacked them again.  Then, we entered the shithole we created.  And a country and people so devastated, so powerless can rout our efforts?  </p>
<p>If these beaten people can throw off our controls, and I assert the same is true of Vietnam and unknown numbers of South and Central American countries, we need to abandon our miltary.  Evidently, the benign suburban skaters that was my pre-auto teen experience could so flummox the US military that we should cut the Trillion dollar defense budget to nil and invite any impetuous aspiring empire to bring it on.  It is folly to think that there are rewards abroad that can be stolen and brought back without an equal or greater blowback.</p>
<p>The neo-cons are stupid and arrogant.  These are the pre-requisites of sophistry, the total absence of integrity or sincerity completes the package.  This lack of character is what allows someone to grope for excuses even those that would condemn their own perspective.  But it is their arrogance, that they are defending.  They are so conceited they refuse to consider others, or other perspectives.  These are the Pharisees,  and the courteans that that murmur &#8220;tut-tut&#8221; while chaos engulfs the palaces where the obsequious sycophants genuflect before the illusion of power.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Legato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Legato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find most bizarre is how the first says that one of the great things about neoconservativism is how it “insists that government policy should be judged not by the hopes of advocates and intentions of decision makers, but by real world consequences,” and then says “the failure of today’s neoconservatives to anticipate the challenges of postwar reconstruction does not discredit neoconservativism.” He can&#039;t have it both ways!

Curt - unfortunately, I wouldn&#039;t say their ideas are &quot;wishful thinking&quot;, but closer to &quot;pure evil&quot;. They are driven by greed and fully prepared to lie, cheat, and steal to bolster their own wealth and that of their friends. Never assume maliciousness where stupidity will suffice, but this is way beyond stupidity.

Berkowitz can&#039;t come up with anything new to say. He&#039;s recycling Karl Rove&#039;s table scraps from years back, trying to pull Republicans back into the discredited neocon wing. They&#039;re printing it because somebody at the WSJ *really* likes neoconservativism, since it essentially boils down to &quot;use any means necessary to bring more capital to Wall Street.&quot;

I wrote a longer analysis of Berkowitz&#039; article at http://www.economaton.com/politics/berkowitz-neoconservatives-iraq/   that you may find interesting.

I find it amazing and interesting too that neoconservativism has been so thoroughly eviscerated as a policy philosophy on the net, yet mainstream traditional media still largely won&#039;t say that the emperor has no clothes.

Cheers,
Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find most bizarre is how the first says that one of the great things about neoconservativism is how it “insists that government policy should be judged not by the hopes of advocates and intentions of decision makers, but by real world consequences,” and then says “the failure of today’s neoconservatives to anticipate the challenges of postwar reconstruction does not discredit neoconservativism.” He can&#8217;t have it both ways!</p>
<p>Curt &#8211; unfortunately, I wouldn&#8217;t say their ideas are &#8220;wishful thinking&#8221;, but closer to &#8220;pure evil&#8221;. They are driven by greed and fully prepared to lie, cheat, and steal to bolster their own wealth and that of their friends. Never assume maliciousness where stupidity will suffice, but this is way beyond stupidity.</p>
<p>Berkowitz can&#8217;t come up with anything new to say. He&#8217;s recycling Karl Rove&#8217;s table scraps from years back, trying to pull Republicans back into the discredited neocon wing. They&#8217;re printing it because somebody at the WSJ *really* likes neoconservativism, since it essentially boils down to &#8220;use any means necessary to bring more capital to Wall Street.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wrote a longer analysis of Berkowitz&#8217; article at <a href="http://www.economaton.com/politics/berkowitz-neoconservatives-iraq/" rel="nofollow">http://www.economaton.com/politics/berkowitz-neoconservatives-iraq/</a>   that you may find interesting.</p>
<p>I find it amazing and interesting too that neoconservativism has been so thoroughly eviscerated as a policy philosophy on the net, yet mainstream traditional media still largely won&#8217;t say that the emperor has no clothes.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know anything that better illustrates the problem with neo so called intellectuals inhabiting America than this...


“neoconservative thinking drew a false analogy (between communism’s collapse in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union) and the very different cultural circumstances of Arab and Muslim Iraq.”

...they are probably the only people on earth who:

1) didn&#039;t get this
2) are lying about not getting this
3) Both 1 &amp; 2

There is no cure for stupidy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything that better illustrates the problem with neo so called intellectuals inhabiting America than this&#8230;</p>
<p>“neoconservative thinking drew a false analogy (between communism’s collapse in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union) and the very different cultural circumstances of Arab and Muslim Iraq.”</p>
<p>&#8230;they are probably the only people on earth who:</p>
<p>1) didn&#8217;t get this<br />
2) are lying about not getting this<br />
3) Both 1 &amp; 2</p>
<p>There is no cure for stupidy.</p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loraine Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocons are full of crrap!</description>
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		<title>By: San Fernando Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>San Fernando Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... all we have to do is redouble our efforts and... on to Iran!

Here&#039;s a safe bet: There will be nothing in the editorial section of the Wall Street Journal even feigning a counterpoint to Berkowitz&#039;s specious nonsense. Facing up to the &quot;grave threat of Saddam Hussein&quot;? Here&#039;s a speech from Karen Kwiatkowski last fall:

&quot;Iraq was a fourth rate military state, with no air force, no navy and not much of an Army, in part due to the destruction of the first Gulf War, a dozen years of sanctions and being bombed by the US and the UK since 1991.&quot;

Why do they continue publishing this crap? With cutbacks in newsrooms all over the country - including the mighty New York Times - doesn&#039;t it become obvious that their credibility is shot and no one listens anymore? No one buys their cheap pulp and wishful thinking? When do they get the picture? When they&#039;re shouting their ass-backwards &quot;insight&quot; to feral cats in wino back alleys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; all we have to do is redouble our efforts and&#8230; on to Iran!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a safe bet: There will be nothing in the editorial section of the Wall Street Journal even feigning a counterpoint to Berkowitz&#8217;s specious nonsense. Facing up to the &#8220;grave threat of Saddam Hussein&#8221;? Here&#8217;s a speech from Karen Kwiatkowski last fall:</p>
<p>&#8220;Iraq was a fourth rate military state, with no air force, no navy and not much of an Army, in part due to the destruction of the first Gulf War, a dozen years of sanctions and being bombed by the US and the UK since 1991.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do they continue publishing this crap? With cutbacks in newsrooms all over the country &#8211; including the mighty New York Times &#8211; doesn&#8217;t it become obvious that their credibility is shot and no one listens anymore? No one buys their cheap pulp and wishful thinking? When do they get the picture? When they&#8217;re shouting their ass-backwards &#8220;insight&#8221; to feral cats in wino back alleys?</p>
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