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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Frum is ignorant.  He voiced his concerns about women in Algeria forced to wear burkas.  In my travels to Algeria there were ZERO women in burkas.  Some women wore hijabs, most dressed fairly conservatively, some rather Western.  We spent most of our time in Oran, drove to Tclemsen, and to Algiers.  I missed the legal brothels that they have there and failed to enter any of the bars.  These were on the &quot;down low&quot; in Oran but were more open in Algiers.  

This may be one small point but it shows the ignorance of many of these people.  I am mystified that the Main Stream Media gives these people any creedence when they&#039;ve been so wrong for so long. 

Tomorrow I am going to Muslim day at Six Flags Over Texas.  There is a group, &quot;Americans against hate&quot; who plan to protest.  They have every right to do so.  Some of the brothers are trying to file an injunction, I have written a letter, and plan to hand out 20 copies to the rabble rousers.  

&quot;If there are some bad Muslims certainly there are some bad American policies.  Just as Muslims should condemn bad Muslims who transgress, Americans should criticize bad policies as well.  We Muslims certainly agree with the Neo-cons calls for democracy in the Middle East.  When one tests the &quot;democracy agenda&quot; we see freedom and liberty have been set back by our policies.  In Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, and Pakistan we&#039;ve encouraged these dictators.  We&#039;ve trained them in oppressing their people, we&#039;ve armed these tyrants and we&#039;ve given these despots money and intelligence.  Funny, but it is from these very countries the terrorists hail. 

Our Declaration of Independence says that those who live under tyranny have a &quot;duty&quot; to oppose it.  This further serves as a warning to not support tyrants and dictators over others subjects.  Yet, we are in a Orwellian world where the Neo-cons call for democracy yet encourage anything but.  All the countries listed above are our &quot;friends&quot; yet we&#039;ve failed to move them toward democratic reforms.  Surely you&#039;ll admit that war is the worst way to bring democracy. But, that is precisely what we&#039;ve done in Iraq. 

If we would stop for a minute and look at the situation, and the real effects of our policies, we would see that our Middle Eastern policies have betrayed our American ideals.  You may well ask why those commentators you listen to haven&#039;t offered this clear headed critique?  Either they too ignorant to see what is clear to so many in the world or, they have some other agenda, ties perhaps to the military industrial complex that they are really supporting.  Either judgment is damning and you should seek other council.  Making war IS making hate.  If you are against hate, perhaps you need to look at the log in your own eye before condemning the splinter in your neighbors.  If you are against hate, condemn the hateful Middle Eastern policies that betray American ideals and self interests.&quot; 

I hope at least some of them can get what I am trying to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Frum is ignorant.  He voiced his concerns about women in Algeria forced to wear burkas.  In my travels to Algeria there were ZERO women in burkas.  Some women wore hijabs, most dressed fairly conservatively, some rather Western.  We spent most of our time in Oran, drove to Tclemsen, and to Algiers.  I missed the legal brothels that they have there and failed to enter any of the bars.  These were on the &#8220;down low&#8221; in Oran but were more open in Algiers.  </p>
<p>This may be one small point but it shows the ignorance of many of these people.  I am mystified that the Main Stream Media gives these people any creedence when they&#8217;ve been so wrong for so long. </p>
<p>Tomorrow I am going to Muslim day at Six Flags Over Texas.  There is a group, &#8220;Americans against hate&#8221; who plan to protest.  They have every right to do so.  Some of the brothers are trying to file an injunction, I have written a letter, and plan to hand out 20 copies to the rabble rousers.  </p>
<p>&#8220;If there are some bad Muslims certainly there are some bad American policies.  Just as Muslims should condemn bad Muslims who transgress, Americans should criticize bad policies as well.  We Muslims certainly agree with the Neo-cons calls for democracy in the Middle East.  When one tests the &#8220;democracy agenda&#8221; we see freedom and liberty have been set back by our policies.  In Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, and Pakistan we&#8217;ve encouraged these dictators.  We&#8217;ve trained them in oppressing their people, we&#8217;ve armed these tyrants and we&#8217;ve given these despots money and intelligence.  Funny, but it is from these very countries the terrorists hail. </p>
<p>Our Declaration of Independence says that those who live under tyranny have a &#8220;duty&#8221; to oppose it.  This further serves as a warning to not support tyrants and dictators over others subjects.  Yet, we are in a Orwellian world where the Neo-cons call for democracy yet encourage anything but.  All the countries listed above are our &#8220;friends&#8221; yet we&#8217;ve failed to move them toward democratic reforms.  Surely you&#8217;ll admit that war is the worst way to bring democracy. But, that is precisely what we&#8217;ve done in Iraq. </p>
<p>If we would stop for a minute and look at the situation, and the real effects of our policies, we would see that our Middle Eastern policies have betrayed our American ideals.  You may well ask why those commentators you listen to haven&#8217;t offered this clear headed critique?  Either they too ignorant to see what is clear to so many in the world or, they have some other agenda, ties perhaps to the military industrial complex that they are really supporting.  Either judgment is damning and you should seek other council.  Making war IS making hate.  If you are against hate, perhaps you need to look at the log in your own eye before condemning the splinter in your neighbors.  If you are against hate, condemn the hateful Middle Eastern policies that betray American ideals and self interests.&#8221; </p>
<p>I hope at least some of them can get what I am trying to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, the man is going for broke!   Shows he knows who&#039;s running things now.  That Giuliani is trying to emulate Bush/Cheney shows he hasn&#039;t a CLUE as to what works.  Or, the public&#039;s perception of all of it.

I knew when I saw Tucker Carlson backpeddling wrt the neo-cons track-record ....so vigorously he was red in the face...and shrill...on Bill Maher&#039;s show last night.... I knew then that even he senses things aren&#039;t looking good for the neo-cons and their &quot;place in history&quot;.   

Apparently Giuliani &quot;didn&#039;t get the memo&quot;!   LOL    There must be a whole lot of very nervous ReThuglicans about now.....about who will win the nomination.   

I can hardly wait for all those cross-dressing photographs...and disavowals!

Thanks for always knowing what&#039;s going on...behind the scenes....and sharing that with us.  Invaluable.   And sometimes even amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, the man is going for broke!   Shows he knows who&#8217;s running things now.  That Giuliani is trying to emulate Bush/Cheney shows he hasn&#8217;t a CLUE as to what works.  Or, the public&#8217;s perception of all of it.</p>
<p>I knew when I saw Tucker Carlson backpeddling wrt the neo-cons track-record &#8230;.so vigorously he was red in the face&#8230;and shrill&#8230;on Bill Maher&#8217;s show last night&#8230;. I knew then that even he senses things aren&#8217;t looking good for the neo-cons and their &#8220;place in history&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Apparently Giuliani &#8220;didn&#8217;t get the memo&#8221;!   LOL    There must be a whole lot of very nervous ReThuglicans about now&#8230;..about who will win the nomination.   </p>
<p>I can hardly wait for all those cross-dressing photographs&#8230;and disavowals!</p>
<p>Thanks for always knowing what&#8217;s going on&#8230;behind the scenes&#8230;.and sharing that with us.  Invaluable.   And sometimes even amusing.</p>
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