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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/ledeen-to-be-upstaged-by-newt/comment-page-1/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You posted this on September 1.  This is September 13, and not a word.

Something must be up.

War on Iran?   How soon will it happen?   WHY is there no way to stop it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You posted this on September 1.  This is September 13, and not a word.</p>
<p>Something must be up.</p>
<p>War on Iran?   How soon will it happen?   WHY is there no way to stop it?</p>
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		<title>By: Demosthenes</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/ledeen-to-be-upstaged-by-newt/comment-page-1/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>Demosthenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say the timing of the book announcement barely matters. It only exists to be something that Op-Ed writers and right wing TV flacks can point to as a &quot;scholarly&quot; source when they&#039;re calling for war in Iran. I doubt they&#039;ll even read it; at best they&#039;ll just use the (inevitable) AEI-provided talking-points list that accompanies their &lt;i&gt;gratis&lt;/i&gt; copies of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say the timing of the book announcement barely matters. It only exists to be something that Op-Ed writers and right wing TV flacks can point to as a &#8220;scholarly&#8221; source when they&#8217;re calling for war in Iran. I doubt they&#8217;ll even read it; at best they&#8217;ll just use the (inevitable) AEI-provided talking-points list that accompanies their <i>gratis</i> copies of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Bacon</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/ledeen-to-be-upstaged-by-newt/comment-page-1/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly--perpetual war. It makes things soooo much easier for our Number One, either R. or D. If you don&#039;t really screw it up, IOW Bush it up, then it&#039;s great for total domestic control. The border patrol checkpoint on a nearby interstate has new signs up telling us that the threat level is elevated, and informs us of the  great results coming from this domestic impediment to travel in terms of threat and drug abatement. A big thank you to Homeland Security!

In Iraq the US military was complicit in the Feb. 20006 Samarra mosque bombing which brought us the Iraq civil war, our reason for staying in Iraq, and now the US military is tilting toward the Sunnis and arming these former US troop killers (supported by the Saudis) while it tells us that the Iranians are now our real enemy. It&#039;s the Iranians who have kept us from victory! Most of the foreign fighters coming into Iraq are Saudis (like the 9/11 attackers) but hey, Saudi Arabia is our friend. The official line: The Iranians have surged in Iraq. The Iraq &#039;government&#039; is allied with Iran but we can fix that by smacking Iran, which Congress has declared to be our top enemy.  

It&#039;s enough to make one nostalgic for the good old days of &#039;all Monica all the time&#039;, rather than all war all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly&#8211;perpetual war. It makes things soooo much easier for our Number One, either R. or D. If you don&#8217;t really screw it up, IOW Bush it up, then it&#8217;s great for total domestic control. The border patrol checkpoint on a nearby interstate has new signs up telling us that the threat level is elevated, and informs us of the  great results coming from this domestic impediment to travel in terms of threat and drug abatement. A big thank you to Homeland Security!</p>
<p>In Iraq the US military was complicit in the Feb. 20006 Samarra mosque bombing which brought us the Iraq civil war, our reason for staying in Iraq, and now the US military is tilting toward the Sunnis and arming these former US troop killers (supported by the Saudis) while it tells us that the Iranians are now our real enemy. It&#8217;s the Iranians who have kept us from victory! Most of the foreign fighters coming into Iraq are Saudis (like the 9/11 attackers) but hey, Saudi Arabia is our friend. The official line: The Iranians have surged in Iraq. The Iraq &#8216;government&#8217; is allied with Iran but we can fix that by smacking Iran, which Congress has declared to be our top enemy.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s enough to make one nostalgic for the good old days of &#8216;all Monica all the time&#8217;, rather than all war all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, a quick and, I hope, not embarrassing thank-you for all your fine reporting and analysis. I am among a legion of concerned Americans who count on you to help us understand what the hell is going on, especially after the Bush phenomenon fell upon this country after the stolen 2000 election, so it&#039;s terrific to have you blogging now.

I was among a group of bloggers to whom Wesley Clark confirmed over a year ago exactly what Don Bacon has described above, with some possible special forces ops on the ground, the troops inserted and removed by air.  He also said that with the US in Iraq in force, Bush &amp; Co. would have to be insane to act on any such plans, but no one should think such meant it wouldn&#039;t happen.

And I agree with NTEL, the goal is perpetual war. That&#039;s what makes Bush and the whole WW IV Republican Party so dangerous; there is no downside for them no matter how disastrous the result of their actions. That such an attack would almost guarantee the Mullahs will be charge of that country for the next 100 years isn&#039;t a problem for Ledeen, or for Gingrich, because the increase in political strength to the forces of nationalism and repression inside Iran can can and will be used as a justification that they were indeed a long-term threat worthy of attack, because look, they are still in charge and now hitting us back in Iraq. That an argument that nutty has worked again and again I lay at the door of our corporate media.

I suspect that what Gingrich will be about in his presentation is to argue that Bush&#039;s way was the wrong way, but the failure wasn&#039;t only his, i.e., he was undone by the ineptitude of the entire government, especially the State Dept, but especially the Federal bureaucracy and then argue that taking on Iran is somehow different from Bush policy.

I also think this rollout is something more than an indication that any kind of decision has been made by Bush about an attack; he wants to do it, especially because it would present his successor with a nightmare in which America&#039;s role in the world will be significantly weakened, and then the entire mess created by Bush in the last eight years becomes the fault of someone else, probably a Democrat, but Bush doesn&#039;t care if it&#039;s a Republican.

What this roll out is all about is the 2008 election, and using Iran as an issue in the same way Rove/Bush used &quot;Iraq&quot; in 2004, to charge again and again that Democrats are weak on issues of &quot;defense&quot; and &quot;homeland&quot; security, don&#039;t get that we&#039;re in an existential struggle for survival. Gingrich is smart enough to realize that Republicans have to find a way to distance themselves from Bush even while they run on exactly the same take on  security issues as Bush, and with no more clues about the difference between genuine policy-making and clever propaganda, so it will be interesting to see what he comes up with at his AEI presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, a quick and, I hope, not embarrassing thank-you for all your fine reporting and analysis. I am among a legion of concerned Americans who count on you to help us understand what the hell is going on, especially after the Bush phenomenon fell upon this country after the stolen 2000 election, so it&#8217;s terrific to have you blogging now.</p>
<p>I was among a group of bloggers to whom Wesley Clark confirmed over a year ago exactly what Don Bacon has described above, with some possible special forces ops on the ground, the troops inserted and removed by air.  He also said that with the US in Iraq in force, Bush &amp; Co. would have to be insane to act on any such plans, but no one should think such meant it wouldn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>And I agree with NTEL, the goal is perpetual war. That&#8217;s what makes Bush and the whole WW IV Republican Party so dangerous; there is no downside for them no matter how disastrous the result of their actions. That such an attack would almost guarantee the Mullahs will be charge of that country for the next 100 years isn&#8217;t a problem for Ledeen, or for Gingrich, because the increase in political strength to the forces of nationalism and repression inside Iran can can and will be used as a justification that they were indeed a long-term threat worthy of attack, because look, they are still in charge and now hitting us back in Iraq. That an argument that nutty has worked again and again I lay at the door of our corporate media.</p>
<p>I suspect that what Gingrich will be about in his presentation is to argue that Bush&#8217;s way was the wrong way, but the failure wasn&#8217;t only his, i.e., he was undone by the ineptitude of the entire government, especially the State Dept, but especially the Federal bureaucracy and then argue that taking on Iran is somehow different from Bush policy.</p>
<p>I also think this rollout is something more than an indication that any kind of decision has been made by Bush about an attack; he wants to do it, especially because it would present his successor with a nightmare in which America&#8217;s role in the world will be significantly weakened, and then the entire mess created by Bush in the last eight years becomes the fault of someone else, probably a Democrat, but Bush doesn&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s a Republican.</p>
<p>What this roll out is all about is the 2008 election, and using Iran as an issue in the same way Rove/Bush used &#8220;Iraq&#8221; in 2004, to charge again and again that Democrats are weak on issues of &#8220;defense&#8221; and &#8220;homeland&#8221; security, don&#8217;t get that we&#8217;re in an existential struggle for survival. Gingrich is smart enough to realize that Republicans have to find a way to distance themselves from Bush even while they run on exactly the same take on  security issues as Bush, and with no more clues about the difference between genuine policy-making and clever propaganda, so it will be interesting to see what he comes up with at his AEI presentation.</p>
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		<title>By: NTEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>NTEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goal is war without end.  This is incredibly cynical - but I honestly believe the goal in attacking Iran would be to provoke a reaction more than anything else. A broader, bloodier war would be the only thing to sustain and increase our military presence in the Middle East after 2008. The plan is to turn the Iranians into the threat the neocons say they are. This self-fulfilling prophecy approach has worked well in the past -- Remember the pre-Iraq war warnings about Al-Qaeda in Iraq? They weren&#039;t there then, but they are now... Iran has been a state sponsor of terror, but we haven&#039;t seen anything yet. An attack on Iran could prevoke the Iranian behavior of which Michael Ledeen fantasizes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal is war without end.  This is incredibly cynical &#8211; but I honestly believe the goal in attacking Iran would be to provoke a reaction more than anything else. A broader, bloodier war would be the only thing to sustain and increase our military presence in the Middle East after 2008. The plan is to turn the Iranians into the threat the neocons say they are. This self-fulfilling prophecy approach has worked well in the past &#8212; Remember the pre-Iraq war warnings about Al-Qaeda in Iraq? They weren&#8217;t there then, but they are now&#8230; Iran has been a state sponsor of terror, but we haven&#8217;t seen anything yet. An attack on Iran could prevoke the Iranian behavior of which Michael Ledeen fantasizes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Bacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US attack against Iran will primarily be an air war, with some special forces effort on oil rigs, missile sites etc. Targets will include not only nuclear sites but thousands of military sites.

Iran is a large country, more than twice the size of Texas, with 65 million people, and is strategically located with over two thousand miles of coastline on the Persian Gulf and on the Arabian and Caspian Seas. An attack on Iran will galvanize the Iranian people and their military.

Iran, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, has formidable defenses, including air defense weapons and many varieties of ship-borne torpedoes, mines and cruise missiles which could put a severe hurt on an attacking force. The advent of inexpensive, easily-employable cruise missiles has evened the military playing field. Remember the 40-by-40 foot hole put in the USS Cole, and the crippling of the Israeli missile boat Hanit by a Hezbollah cruise missile in the Mediterranean Sea. Iran also has fast torpedo boats and three submarines. Imagine missiles with 400-pound warheads striking US ships in the confines of the Gulf, while Iran closes off the Straits of Hormuz to any rescue attempts. Meanwhile they activate their agents and allies in Iraq to attack US forces there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US attack against Iran will primarily be an air war, with some special forces effort on oil rigs, missile sites etc. Targets will include not only nuclear sites but thousands of military sites.</p>
<p>Iran is a large country, more than twice the size of Texas, with 65 million people, and is strategically located with over two thousand miles of coastline on the Persian Gulf and on the Arabian and Caspian Seas. An attack on Iran will galvanize the Iranian people and their military.</p>
<p>Iran, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, has formidable defenses, including air defense weapons and many varieties of ship-borne torpedoes, mines and cruise missiles which could put a severe hurt on an attacking force. The advent of inexpensive, easily-employable cruise missiles has evened the military playing field. Remember the 40-by-40 foot hole put in the USS Cole, and the crippling of the Israeli missile boat Hanit by a Hezbollah cruise missile in the Mediterranean Sea. Iran also has fast torpedo boats and three submarines. Imagine missiles with 400-pound warheads striking US ships in the confines of the Gulf, while Iran closes off the Straits of Hormuz to any rescue attempts. Meanwhile they activate their agents and allies in Iraq to attack US forces there.</p>
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		<title>By: The Next to Last Pope</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Next to Last Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s a terrible pity. Iran is a young country that is ready to throw off the old theocrats and live in a modern society. If we’d leave them alone they would turn themselves into our ally in 15 years’ time. 

By the way, do you suppose Ledeen&#039;s book will explain where we are going to get the troops to have a war with Iran? Or will bombing the nuclear facilities every six months or so be enough to turn the Iranians into decent, God-fearing Christians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a terrible pity. Iran is a young country that is ready to throw off the old theocrats and live in a modern society. If we’d leave them alone they would turn themselves into our ally in 15 years’ time. </p>
<p>By the way, do you suppose Ledeen&#8217;s book will explain where we are going to get the troops to have a war with Iran? Or will bombing the nuclear facilities every six months or so be enough to turn the Iranians into decent, God-fearing Christians?</p>
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