I don’t believe in an eye for eye. I believe in killing the other guy first.

This logic here is totally circular. By this rubric and facts that we’d both agree to, the Palestinians have every right to fire at the Israelis ever since the Nakba. You’ve made the eye for an eye argument.

One can’t argue for even handedness in a master/slave relationship. Only by humanizing the slave and dethroning the master can this relationship be reconciled. But again, the humanity of the Palestinians or the Israeli unwillingness to grant equal status to Palestinians as Jews is the core of the problem.

My father is a condemnation atty. I a real estate appraiser by training. Have the Palestinians gotten the fair compensation of “eminent domain” that they would enjoy and expect under Common Law? The “right of return” should be compared to conventional “eminent domain” tort standards.

If Palestinians are willing to sell their land to Jews, Pigs, or Chinamen I don’t care. If Israel were formed democratically, I wouldn’t oppose it. But, “Oppressing, Dominating, Starving and Dominating and entire people” is flatly wrong. Quoting the Refusniks, is there any new news regarding that movement?

Jon, your arguments here are very weak. I suppose you would turn to pulp the chicken for fluttering about after his neck is broken. The spasms of desperation that represents the Palestinian resistance are no threat to Israel. Nor were niggers at lunch counters or on white designated zones a threat to this country, though we killed thousands of black men, women and children and anyone who dare show them any empathy.

Your Bullshit rationale Jon, ignores our own history here. I’ve seen Jim Crow. I’ve seen the saccharine hospitality, hidden bitterness, smallness and viciousness. You ignore this and yes, it can seem easy to put an uppity negro in his place. I know why the caged bird beats his wing. Jon, I suppose the caged birds should cease their chirping, fluttering and thrashing. Why can’t these birds accept their fate?

There was a chart of how rockets had originated from Gaza before the invasion on the Israeli defense website. After the chart made the rounds on the internet linking back to their website, one of two charts were deleted. The chart that was left was harder to read.

And now the digging under the bridge to the Al-Aqsa mosque has been accelerated. The Palestinians suffer daily provocation.

I can tell you that my views have caused me to be attacked in The Forward and called an anti-semite (which I’m not) in letters to the editor of a magazine I write for. I have no brief for the Israelis. But clearly, my friend, you’ve never been under fire, or experienced someone shooting at your children. If someone’s shooting at my children, I retaliate. I agree that the Israeli retaliation was disproportionate. But believe me, if someone starts shooting at my family, I will make every attempt to kill him.

I condemn operation Cast Lead as overkill and in some respects illegal. But I don’t blame anyone for retaliating against someone who’s shooting at him. That’s a separate issue from the question of whether Israel should have been created to begin with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kanwisher/reigniting-violence-how-d_b_155611.html

It is pretty clear, tunnel and alleged kidnapping plan notwithstanding, that Hamas was maintaining the ceasefire to the best of its ability and Cast Lead should be viewed more as an aggressive move rather than defensive. The tunnel and alleged kidnapping plot bears all the hallmarks of a provocation.

And then allow it’s million dollar, internet propaganda campaigners to infiltrate progressive websites and sow those seeds of doubt?

If that’s not you – my apologies. And if not, why not?

There’s money in your lies….

Those were crimes against humanity, my friend. And international law allows for those under intense and brutal military occupation to resist such illegal actions. And those rockets are all the Palestinians had – and even they were the equivalent of crude moltav cocktails. Israel had no right to attack a defenseless civilian population when it didn’t fulfill it’s cease fire agreement.

Or did you forget that about your ‘colonial entity’?