Comments on: Daniel Pipes steps out of the closet… as an Islamophobe http://www.lobelog.com/daniel-pipes-steps-out-of-the-closet-as-an-islamophobe/ Personality Blogs Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:25:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jon Harrison http://www.lobelog.com/daniel-pipes-steps-out-of-the-closet-as-an-islamophobe/comment-page-1/#comment-103714 Jon Harrison Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:36:27 +0000 http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=457#comment-103714 I quite agree with Loewe 50's sentiments. But I still think prosecuting speech is wrong. And I maintain that any country can limit immigration and set standards for assimilation. I expand on my views with a comment on the "Islamophobia, Bad for Jews" post. I quite agree with Loewe 50’s sentiments. But I still think prosecuting speech is wrong. And I maintain that any country can limit immigration and set standards for assimilation. I expand on my views with a comment on the “Islamophobia, Bad for Jews” post.

]]> By: Loewe50 http://www.lobelog.com/daniel-pipes-steps-out-of-the-closet-as-an-islamophobe/comment-page-1/#comment-103690 Loewe50 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:11:36 +0000 http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=457#comment-103690 @ Jon Harrison: Muslims are part of our societies, be it the Netherlands or my country, Germany. They are citizens. They have citizens' rights. Wilders and the Islamophobes attack people who are my neighbors, my friends. You know what happened to the Jews. They were part of the German population, citizens of Germany, Germans of Jewish faith or Jewish descent. But the Nazi antiSemites denied their being Germans. For them the Jews were dangerous aliens. - It escalated, and the result was desastrous - for the victims as well as for the perpetrators. Geert Wilders is one of those who want the conflict to escalate. He wants a crusade. The only way to deal with the issue reasonably is to pursue the politics of integration, and to respect the faith of the Muslim minority in our European societies. The very few violent Islamists may hit here or there, but they are no danger in the sense of political success. From personal aquaintance with plenty of Muslims in Munich, Germany, I cannot see that there is any political or societal danger for Germany coming from our Muslims. Quite the opposite - they are an asset. @ Jon Harrison:

Muslims are part of our societies, be it the Netherlands or my country, Germany. They are citizens. They have citizens’ rights.
Wilders and the Islamophobes attack people who are my neighbors, my friends.

You know what happened to the Jews. They were part of the German population, citizens of Germany, Germans of Jewish faith or Jewish descent. But the Nazi antiSemites denied their being Germans. For them the Jews were dangerous aliens. – It escalated, and the result was desastrous – for the victims as well as for the perpetrators. Geert Wilders is one of those who want the conflict to escalate. He wants a crusade.

The only way to deal with the issue reasonably is to pursue the politics of integration, and to respect the faith of the Muslim minority in our European societies. The very few violent Islamists may hit here or there, but they are no danger in the sense of political success. From personal aquaintance with plenty of Muslims in Munich, Germany, I cannot see that there is any political or societal danger for Germany coming from our Muslims. Quite the opposite – they are an asset.

]]> By: scott http://www.lobelog.com/daniel-pipes-steps-out-of-the-closet-as-an-islamophobe/comment-page-1/#comment-103682 scott Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:10:14 +0000 http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=457#comment-103682 I, as some may have noticed like to challenge Christians and Jews to come up with anything in the Koran that compares to the Book of Joshua. If that is kosher pursuit of the promised land, then we should commend the Israelis for their restraint. The Old Testament genocide and slaughter celebrated and even claimed to be consecrated has no compare in the nuanced iats (verses) of the Koran. I, as some may have noticed like to challenge Christians and Jews to come up with anything in the Koran that compares to the Book of Joshua. If that is kosher pursuit of the promised land, then we should commend the Israelis for their restraint. The Old Testament genocide and slaughter celebrated and even claimed to be consecrated has no compare in the nuanced iats (verses) of the Koran.

]]> By: Jon Harrison http://www.lobelog.com/daniel-pipes-steps-out-of-the-closet-as-an-islamophobe/comment-page-1/#comment-103669 Jon Harrison Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:12:28 +0000 http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=457#comment-103669 I don't like Mr. Pipes; never have. But the idea of trying someone like Wilders for "inciting hate speech" is Orwellian. I hope Wilders gets off. I say again, every people has a right to its own cultural sphere. If the people of the Netherlands decide to ban Muslim immigration, that's their business. The Islamic homeland is plenty big enough to accomodate the world's Muslims. The idea that Western Europe-America have to commit suicide for the sake of political correctness is just nuts. I don’t like Mr. Pipes; never have. But the idea of trying someone like Wilders for “inciting hate speech” is Orwellian. I hope Wilders gets off. I say again, every people has a right to its own cultural sphere. If the people of the Netherlands decide to ban Muslim immigration, that’s their business. The Islamic homeland is plenty big enough to accomodate the world’s Muslims. The idea that Western Europe-America have to commit suicide for the sake of political correctness is just nuts.

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