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		<title>By: Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Harrison a member of the Liberty staff? A writer by that name is so viciously mis-informed about Israel, that I dropped my subscription.

Scott is an ignorant anti-Semite. Christians and Arabs have the same rights to land in Israel as Jews. Beduin, in fact, have greater rights under an Israeli affirmative-action programme for their benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Harrison a member of the Liberty staff? A writer by that name is so viciously mis-informed about Israel, that I dropped my subscription.</p>
<p>Scott is an ignorant anti-Semite. Christians and Arabs have the same rights to land in Israel as Jews. Beduin, in fact, have greater rights under an Israeli affirmative-action programme for their benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further, of those 1000 Jews, how many more facilitated the European colonialists?  I know Jews were divided, many risked everything throwing their lot in with the people they had lived with for years, but others literally represented a fifth column.  Do you deny this?  

Let&#039;s talk about Algerian history the roles of the Jews and the French, the history of Libya and Italy and the Jews there.  The Balfour declaration was yet another example of Jews lobbying the European colonialists for their own venal interests.  Those are also fairly viewed as acts of treason.  

Bataween, I don&#039;t have a problem with looking at the flaws and wrongs of my own country, USA and it&#039;s allies.  However, you don&#039;t seem to be able to fairly study history.   You failed to cover the Nakba, pograms that Jews, many atheistic, what the hell you all worship the Golden Calf of &quot;Israel.&quot;  You failed to cover how Israel expanded her territory by 50% from Jordan yet are mystified why Jordanians distrust you.  Perhaps the fact that Jews occupy the entire Jordan river valley, staring lustfully at the water, the land owned by Arabs all around them.  

The facts are that Israel expands literally on a daily basis.  This, in any other context is a cancer.  If Israel can&#039;t learn to become benign, she will surely perish, for the United States can&#039;t afford to do her bidding any longer.  When we curl up from our economic expansive gluttony, who will help you?  Will you avenge those 1000 Jews lost in pogroms, ignoring the 1300 you mercilessly took in Gaza, with nukes this time?  Do you have any limits any longer to what ends you&#039;ll stoop to sate your blood, and land lust?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further, of those 1000 Jews, how many more facilitated the European colonialists?  I know Jews were divided, many risked everything throwing their lot in with the people they had lived with for years, but others literally represented a fifth column.  Do you deny this?  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk about Algerian history the roles of the Jews and the French, the history of Libya and Italy and the Jews there.  The Balfour declaration was yet another example of Jews lobbying the European colonialists for their own venal interests.  Those are also fairly viewed as acts of treason.  </p>
<p>Bataween, I don&#8217;t have a problem with looking at the flaws and wrongs of my own country, USA and it&#8217;s allies.  However, you don&#8217;t seem to be able to fairly study history.   You failed to cover the Nakba, pograms that Jews, many atheistic, what the hell you all worship the Golden Calf of &#8220;Israel.&#8221;  You failed to cover how Israel expanded her territory by 50% from Jordan yet are mystified why Jordanians distrust you.  Perhaps the fact that Jews occupy the entire Jordan river valley, staring lustfully at the water, the land owned by Arabs all around them.  </p>
<p>The facts are that Israel expands literally on a daily basis.  This, in any other context is a cancer.  If Israel can&#8217;t learn to become benign, she will surely perish, for the United States can&#8217;t afford to do her bidding any longer.  When we curl up from our economic expansive gluttony, who will help you?  Will you avenge those 1000 Jews lost in pogroms, ignoring the 1300 you mercilessly took in Gaza, with nukes this time?  Do you have any limits any longer to what ends you&#8217;ll stoop to sate your blood, and land lust?</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many Christians or Arabs can purchase land in Israel?  How many Palestinians are displacing Jews from their land in the West Bank or Israel?  What about the opposite, how many Jews are taking Arab water, land, farms and blockading roads in their own lands?  You&#039;re the one in fantasy land.  You&#039;re the one who thinks himself &quot;special.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many Christians or Arabs can purchase land in Israel?  How many Palestinians are displacing Jews from their land in the West Bank or Israel?  What about the opposite, how many Jews are taking Arab water, land, farms and blockading roads in their own lands?  You&#8217;re the one in fantasy land.  You&#8217;re the one who thinks himself &#8220;special.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bataween</title>
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		<dc:creator>bataween</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott
I don&#039;t know where you get your history from - most probably your fertile imagination. You say there are Jews living throughout the Arab world today. Well I&#039;ve got news for you Scott, there are some 4,000 left out of one million in 1948. That means 99 percent have ben ethnically cleansed. And talking of racism, there are no Jews in Libya, no Jews can live in Jordan, no Jew can purchase land on the West Bank because the seller will be put to death, no Jew can even visit Saudi Arabia. So who exactly are the racists?
By the way, 1,000 Jews died in pogroms in Arab countries in the ten years before Israel was established.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott<br />
I don&#8217;t know where you get your history from &#8211; most probably your fertile imagination. You say there are Jews living throughout the Arab world today. Well I&#8217;ve got news for you Scott, there are some 4,000 left out of one million in 1948. That means 99 percent have ben ethnically cleansed. And talking of racism, there are no Jews in Libya, no Jews can live in Jordan, no Jew can purchase land on the West Bank because the seller will be put to death, no Jew can even visit Saudi Arabia. So who exactly are the racists?<br />
By the way, 1,000 Jews died in pogroms in Arab countries in the ten years before Israel was established.</p>
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		<title>By: brant</title>
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		<dc:creator>brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE GRAND MUFTI HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH JERUSALEM TODAY !

THE PALESTINIANS HAVE ALWAYS USED TERMS AGAINS ISRAEL LIKE &quot;NAZI&quot;, ETC.   
THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRACY,NO?  HERE THE WERE, THEIR IMMEIDATE ANCESTORS, CALLING MY PEOPLE NAZIS WHEN THEY WERE THE COLLABOATORS OF THE NAZIS?   ONLY IN A WORLD LIKE THIS !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE GRAND MUFTI HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH JERUSALEM TODAY !</p>
<p>THE PALESTINIANS HAVE ALWAYS USED TERMS AGAINS ISRAEL LIKE &#8220;NAZI&#8221;, ETC.<br />
THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRACY,NO?  HERE THE WERE, THEIR IMMEIDATE ANCESTORS, CALLING MY PEOPLE NAZIS WHEN THEY WERE THE COLLABOATORS OF THE NAZIS?   ONLY IN A WORLD LIKE THIS !!</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prior to Israel those weren&#039;t issues.  You&#039;re the one who&#039;s connecting the Mufti in Jerusalem with Iraq.  Now, does the Iraqi gov&#039;t have any reason to suspect foreigners or those with foreign ties.  

If Israel never existed the United States activities in Iran and Iraq would justify their suspicion.  I know Iraqi Sunis who suffered the same predations under Saddam.  I doubt the previous gov&#039;t was much different.  

I really suppose you could track all this back to the Brits and their carving up of the Ottoman Empire, treaty of Paris and all of that.  That of course, takes us back to Balfour, Israel, Palestine and Lebanon.  

Again, let me suggest that your comments are racist.  Perhaps you have justification, but you&#039;re still racist suffering some PTSD or no.  I don&#039;t really think bitter Cubans should direct our foreign policy toward that Island nor bitter Jews or, really any too terribly embittered by getting cut off from our empire&#039;s embezzlement campaigns.  

Again, you aren&#039;t perhaps guilty of that, maybe no Iraqi Jew is suspect, but American and Israeli covert actions certainly justifies their fear of Jews equal to your distrust of Arabs.  Nor can you argue that Israel was the unwitting dupe of the US, nor can we argue that.  We&#039;ve been in cahoots in illicit affairs and the distrust of the natives is to be expected.  

Perhaps the Mufti had his reasons for paling up with the Germans, they weren&#039;t the only country that espoused eugenics, and utterly racist ideology.  Woodrow Wilson was a wicked white supremacist, most educated Americans were in that day.  Hell, Truman was an anti-Semite but an old Jewish business partner swayed him into supporting the Israeli state.  

You speak of the Mufti&#039;s genocidal wishes.  What say you about Plan Dalet and Plan Gimmel?  How is it that while the Mufti may have had some wistful thoughts of ridding his land of these immigrant Jews from Russia.  But, Ben Gurion and Hertzl had far more that wishes and blueprints, they had bombs, troops, a religious furor inspired by the books of Leviticus and Joshua ironically meted out by atheists.  They destroyed whole villages, leaving not a stone standing atop another, re-enacting atrocity you claim as holy--atrocities that would make Dostoevsky shudder.

These people have, according to 5000 IDF refusniks, &quot;humiliated, starved, oppressed and dominated and entire people.&quot;  For 60 yrs running.  There are Jews living throughout the Arab world today.  Despite the brazen catastrophe beset by Jews upon Arabs that predated the depredations you bemoan.  I don&#039;t support wrong doing, but I sure as hell didn&#039;t wonder why someone would fly airplanes into our skyscrapers.  I wondered why they hadn&#039;t done it sooner.    

I don&#039;t know what it is to be &quot;special&quot; or &quot;chosen.&quot;  You act like that here in Texas, someone&#039;s gonna kick your ass.  It must be hard to be humble when you&#039;re chosen by God.  Perhaps that&#039;s why some Jews have such a hard time with the Golden Rule.  If you don&#039;t get the Golden Rule, Karma might get you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to Israel those weren&#8217;t issues.  You&#8217;re the one who&#8217;s connecting the Mufti in Jerusalem with Iraq.  Now, does the Iraqi gov&#8217;t have any reason to suspect foreigners or those with foreign ties.  </p>
<p>If Israel never existed the United States activities in Iran and Iraq would justify their suspicion.  I know Iraqi Sunis who suffered the same predations under Saddam.  I doubt the previous gov&#8217;t was much different.  </p>
<p>I really suppose you could track all this back to the Brits and their carving up of the Ottoman Empire, treaty of Paris and all of that.  That of course, takes us back to Balfour, Israel, Palestine and Lebanon.  </p>
<p>Again, let me suggest that your comments are racist.  Perhaps you have justification, but you&#8217;re still racist suffering some PTSD or no.  I don&#8217;t really think bitter Cubans should direct our foreign policy toward that Island nor bitter Jews or, really any too terribly embittered by getting cut off from our empire&#8217;s embezzlement campaigns.  </p>
<p>Again, you aren&#8217;t perhaps guilty of that, maybe no Iraqi Jew is suspect, but American and Israeli covert actions certainly justifies their fear of Jews equal to your distrust of Arabs.  Nor can you argue that Israel was the unwitting dupe of the US, nor can we argue that.  We&#8217;ve been in cahoots in illicit affairs and the distrust of the natives is to be expected.  </p>
<p>Perhaps the Mufti had his reasons for paling up with the Germans, they weren&#8217;t the only country that espoused eugenics, and utterly racist ideology.  Woodrow Wilson was a wicked white supremacist, most educated Americans were in that day.  Hell, Truman was an anti-Semite but an old Jewish business partner swayed him into supporting the Israeli state.  </p>
<p>You speak of the Mufti&#8217;s genocidal wishes.  What say you about Plan Dalet and Plan Gimmel?  How is it that while the Mufti may have had some wistful thoughts of ridding his land of these immigrant Jews from Russia.  But, Ben Gurion and Hertzl had far more that wishes and blueprints, they had bombs, troops, a religious furor inspired by the books of Leviticus and Joshua ironically meted out by atheists.  They destroyed whole villages, leaving not a stone standing atop another, re-enacting atrocity you claim as holy&#8211;atrocities that would make Dostoevsky shudder.</p>
<p>These people have, according to 5000 IDF refusniks, &#8220;humiliated, starved, oppressed and dominated and entire people.&#8221;  For 60 yrs running.  There are Jews living throughout the Arab world today.  Despite the brazen catastrophe beset by Jews upon Arabs that predated the depredations you bemoan.  I don&#8217;t support wrong doing, but I sure as hell didn&#8217;t wonder why someone would fly airplanes into our skyscrapers.  I wondered why they hadn&#8217;t done it sooner.    </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what it is to be &#8220;special&#8221; or &#8220;chosen.&#8221;  You act like that here in Texas, someone&#8217;s gonna kick your ass.  It must be hard to be humble when you&#8217;re chosen by God.  Perhaps that&#8217;s why some Jews have such a hard time with the Golden Rule.  If you don&#8217;t get the Golden Rule, Karma might get you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry bataween. I saw the comment but overlooked the name you attached to it, and I missed kassandra&#039;s comment completely. Bouncing back and forth on the net too quickly, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry bataween. I saw the comment but overlooked the name you attached to it, and I missed kassandra&#8217;s comment completely. Bouncing back and forth on the net too quickly, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: bataween</title>
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		<dc:creator>bataween</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott
I haven&#039;t even mentioned the Palestinians. And I am not Israeli. I&#039;m an Iraqi Jew. My parents did not flee Iraq because of bombs, they left because the Iraqi government prevented them from earning a living,studying. travelling,  extorted money from them, arrested Jews on trumped up charges, executed Jews at random and finally stole their property. That is not racism or paranoia - these are the facts which you choose to DENY.
I presume you are a liberal concerned about human rights abuses. But when it comes to the suffering of Jews, you are BLIND deaf and dumb! So much more convenient to talk of  false flag operations and nonsense. God forbid the truth should disturb your cosy world view= Zionists evil, Arabs good.
As for you JH, my comment about ignorance was directed at kassandra, not you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott<br />
I haven&#8217;t even mentioned the Palestinians. And I am not Israeli. I&#8217;m an Iraqi Jew. My parents did not flee Iraq because of bombs, they left because the Iraqi government prevented them from earning a living,studying. travelling,  extorted money from them, arrested Jews on trumped up charges, executed Jews at random and finally stole their property. That is not racism or paranoia &#8211; these are the facts which you choose to DENY.<br />
I presume you are a liberal concerned about human rights abuses. But when it comes to the suffering of Jews, you are BLIND deaf and dumb! So much more convenient to talk of  false flag operations and nonsense. God forbid the truth should disturb your cosy world view= Zionists evil, Arabs good.<br />
As for you JH, my comment about ignorance was directed at kassandra, not you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say anything about Iraq&#039;s Jewish community. Comments like &quot;laughing at your ignorance&quot; only show that you&#039;ve run out of arguments. We should always try to argue on the merits and not disparage our interlocutors, no matter how much we may disagree with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say anything about Iraq&#8217;s Jewish community. Comments like &#8220;laughing at your ignorance&#8221; only show that you&#8217;ve run out of arguments. We should always try to argue on the merits and not disparage our interlocutors, no matter how much we may disagree with them.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bataween, your comments are racist and paranoid.  Explain please how Israel, awarded 50% of Palestine in 1948 held 77% on June 1, 1967?  You ignore the catastrophe. 

Are there Palestinians Bataween?  Regardless your answer, your lord, your golden calf Israel holds dominion over their heads.  Stroke your pride, you know its true.  You deny them trade, travel, or any political ability to affect change in their lives.  You control their water, electricity and operate check points in their own lands.  

You&#039;re not democratic, your country sullies the US.  The US holds often the same dreadful policies, and I criticize them too.  You ignore that the Mossad bombed Synagogues in Iran and other countries to drive Jews back to Israel.  You ignore that in the seventies the popularly elected mayor of Baghdad was a Jew.  

We&#039;ve performed similar loathsome false flag operations as well.  Ironically, or not often under the tutelage of the same geniuses, Kissinger, Wolfowitz, Perle, Ross and Feith.  Without fail their Machiavellian machinations backfires into some more horrible blowback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bataween, your comments are racist and paranoid.  Explain please how Israel, awarded 50% of Palestine in 1948 held 77% on June 1, 1967?  You ignore the catastrophe. </p>
<p>Are there Palestinians Bataween?  Regardless your answer, your lord, your golden calf Israel holds dominion over their heads.  Stroke your pride, you know its true.  You deny them trade, travel, or any political ability to affect change in their lives.  You control their water, electricity and operate check points in their own lands.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re not democratic, your country sullies the US.  The US holds often the same dreadful policies, and I criticize them too.  You ignore that the Mossad bombed Synagogues in Iran and other countries to drive Jews back to Israel.  You ignore that in the seventies the popularly elected mayor of Baghdad was a Jew.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve performed similar loathsome false flag operations as well.  Ironically, or not often under the tutelage of the same geniuses, Kissinger, Wolfowitz, Perle, Ross and Feith.  Without fail their Machiavellian machinations backfires into some more horrible blowback.</p>
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