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	<title>Comments on: Condi Rice Could&#8217;ve Written Biden&#8217;s Speech</title>
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		<title>By: Axelmander</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/condi-rice-couldve-written-bidens-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-40444</link>
		<dc:creator>Axelmander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t think Condoleezza Rice could have written this, if only for the fact that it contains a line of Yeats. Maybe the irony of this list of double standards and double speak escape him like they always do Condoleezza Rice, I don&#039;t know. She makes less a point of boring the socks off of her audience by attempting to appear incredibly backward.

But when I&#039;m reading this I have to constantly stop and intervene to not to take it the wrong way, which would be all too easy. So let me pick a few lines:

&quot;When it comes to radical groups that use terror as a tool.. {He is not referring to IDF in Gaza} radical states who harbor extremists.. {He is not referring to Lieberman or the countless other assholes} undermine peace.. {Not referring to Bibi Livni and the Ehuds} and seek or spread weapons of mass destruction.. {No, not referring to throwing white phosphor from planes from a safe altitude out over a tightly packed concentration camp full of defenceless people with nowhere to flee} and regimes that systematically kill or ethnically cleanse their own people.. {well this clearly doesn&#039;t refer to Israel because the &quot;two-legged-beasts&quot; could never be called their own people}, we must stand united and use every means at our disposal to end the threat that they pose...&quot; {&#039;They&#039; being the ones that are ethnically cleansed ofcourse.}

This makes reading it rather a tedious activity, knowing beforehand I&#039;ll learn nothing new. But then I am astonished to be proven wrong about that and find that I really am learning something new. An American VP who knows nothing of the world but how to lecture it knows a line from an Irish poet.

So why pick a line from this poem of Yeats that handles about the Easter Rebellion in Ireland of 1916 in the context of the Obama rethoric about changing stuff. Perhaps it is an answer on the question of changing stuff into what?

The Irish context in the poem is about the fight for an Irish republic independent from England and the way Ireland forever transformed after the rebellion. That there was no way back, high costs were paid for perhaps nothing and there was nothing to expect but things getting worse.

And worse things went as we now know. So since it is all just rethoric and nothing else in the speech touches on the real world perhaps that&#039;s the promise of change: all downhill from here, more terror and more wars and more Nato countries to install more missile shields in to get a more dangerous world to get more wars.

Maybe the changing of Obama is more like the anti-interventionism of Wilson than the modesty of Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t think Condoleezza Rice could have written this, if only for the fact that it contains a line of Yeats. Maybe the irony of this list of double standards and double speak escape him like they always do Condoleezza Rice, I don&#8217;t know. She makes less a point of boring the socks off of her audience by attempting to appear incredibly backward.</p>
<p>But when I&#8217;m reading this I have to constantly stop and intervene to not to take it the wrong way, which would be all too easy. So let me pick a few lines:</p>
<p>&#8220;When it comes to radical groups that use terror as a tool.. {He is not referring to IDF in Gaza} radical states who harbor extremists.. {He is not referring to Lieberman or the countless other assholes} undermine peace.. {Not referring to Bibi Livni and the Ehuds} and seek or spread weapons of mass destruction.. {No, not referring to throwing white phosphor from planes from a safe altitude out over a tightly packed concentration camp full of defenceless people with nowhere to flee} and regimes that systematically kill or ethnically cleanse their own people.. {well this clearly doesn&#8217;t refer to Israel because the &#8220;two-legged-beasts&#8221; could never be called their own people}, we must stand united and use every means at our disposal to end the threat that they pose&#8230;&#8221; {&#8216;They&#8217; being the ones that are ethnically cleansed ofcourse.}</p>
<p>This makes reading it rather a tedious activity, knowing beforehand I&#8217;ll learn nothing new. But then I am astonished to be proven wrong about that and find that I really am learning something new. An American VP who knows nothing of the world but how to lecture it knows a line from an Irish poet.</p>
<p>So why pick a line from this poem of Yeats that handles about the Easter Rebellion in Ireland of 1916 in the context of the Obama rethoric about changing stuff. Perhaps it is an answer on the question of changing stuff into what?</p>
<p>The Irish context in the poem is about the fight for an Irish republic independent from England and the way Ireland forever transformed after the rebellion. That there was no way back, high costs were paid for perhaps nothing and there was nothing to expect but things getting worse.</p>
<p>And worse things went as we now know. So since it is all just rethoric and nothing else in the speech touches on the real world perhaps that&#8217;s the promise of change: all downhill from here, more terror and more wars and more Nato countries to install more missile shields in to get a more dangerous world to get more wars.</p>
<p>Maybe the changing of Obama is more like the anti-interventionism of Wilson than the modesty of Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dirk W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee , who wrote this speech? Baghdad Bob? Somehow, these cranks believe the special combination of the world&#039;s largest military and Reserve Currency Status give the United States a free pass on reinterpreting history or economic reality. It would appear that the Vice President&#039;s office has retained it&#039;s role as the Neo-Con Madison Avenue and is busy at work making sure the Warometer remains pegged in furtherance of Munitions sales. At least the disgraced Republicans admitted they were running up against the &quot;quaintly antiquated&quot; rhetoric of the Framers....these new spear-carriers for empire want the people to believe the Founders would embrace their destructive endeavors and not find them morally and ideologically repugnant. &quot;Change&quot; ehhhh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee , who wrote this speech? Baghdad Bob? Somehow, these cranks believe the special combination of the world&#8217;s largest military and Reserve Currency Status give the United States a free pass on reinterpreting history or economic reality. It would appear that the Vice President&#8217;s office has retained it&#8217;s role as the Neo-Con Madison Avenue and is busy at work making sure the Warometer remains pegged in furtherance of Munitions sales. At least the disgraced Republicans admitted they were running up against the &#8220;quaintly antiquated&#8221; rhetoric of the Framers&#8230;.these new spear-carriers for empire want the people to believe the Founders would embrace their destructive endeavors and not find them morally and ideologically repugnant. &#8220;Change&#8221; ehhhh?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fritz-Nemeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Fritz-Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the truly uninspired speeches I have ever read. Apart from the fact that Biden did not indicate any real changes in the US foreign policy, he conveniently re-writes history when he states: “Our Russian colleagues long ago warned about the rising threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.” If my memory is correct was it not the US that supported those “terrorists” against the Russian forces? 

As for nuclear proliferation: isn’t the US busy developing NEW UPGRADED NUCLEAR WEAPONS, while at the same time it is busy denying the same rights to others?

Obama has indeed shown his inexperience by relying on the Bush retreads in his operations both at home and abroad. The sooner the US realizes that the Afghan war is theirs the better it will be. NATO is a dinosaur is should have been dissolved a long time ago. The US is keeping troops in Germany to keep its supply line open to the Middle East. Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the truly uninspired speeches I have ever read. Apart from the fact that Biden did not indicate any real changes in the US foreign policy, he conveniently re-writes history when he states: “Our Russian colleagues long ago warned about the rising threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.” If my memory is correct was it not the US that supported those “terrorists” against the Russian forces? </p>
<p>As for nuclear proliferation: isn’t the US busy developing NEW UPGRADED NUCLEAR WEAPONS, while at the same time it is busy denying the same rights to others?</p>
<p>Obama has indeed shown his inexperience by relying on the Bush retreads in his operations both at home and abroad. The sooner the US realizes that the Afghan war is theirs the better it will be. NATO is a dinosaur is should have been dissolved a long time ago. The US is keeping troops in Germany to keep its supply line open to the Middle East. Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fritz-Nemeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Fritz-Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the truly uninspired speeches I have ever read. Apart from the fact that Biden did not indicate any real changes in the US foreign policy, he conveniently re-writes history when he states: &quot;Our Russian colleagues long ago warned about the rising threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.&quot; If my memory is correct was it not the US that supported those &quot;terrorists&quot; against the Russian forces? I think it is okay for Biden to be stupid, but please does he have to presume that the rest of the world is stupid too?

As for nuclear proliferation: isn&#039;t the US busy developing NEW UPGRADED NUCLEAR WEAPONS, while at the same time it is busy denying the same rights to others? 

Obama has indeed shown his inexperience by relying on the Bush retreads in his operations both at home and abroad. The sooner the US realizes that the Afghan war is theirs the better it will be. NATO is a dinosaur is should have been dissolved a long time ago. The US is keeping troops in Germany to keep its supply line open to the Middle East. Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the truly uninspired speeches I have ever read. Apart from the fact that Biden did not indicate any real changes in the US foreign policy, he conveniently re-writes history when he states: &#8220;Our Russian colleagues long ago warned about the rising threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.&#8221; If my memory is correct was it not the US that supported those &#8220;terrorists&#8221; against the Russian forces? I think it is okay for Biden to be stupid, but please does he have to presume that the rest of the world is stupid too?</p>
<p>As for nuclear proliferation: isn&#8217;t the US busy developing NEW UPGRADED NUCLEAR WEAPONS, while at the same time it is busy denying the same rights to others? </p>
<p>Obama has indeed shown his inexperience by relying on the Bush retreads in his operations both at home and abroad. The sooner the US realizes that the Afghan war is theirs the better it will be. NATO is a dinosaur is should have been dissolved a long time ago. The US is keeping troops in Germany to keep its supply line open to the Middle East. Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.</p>
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		<title>By: Abbas Khalil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abbas Khalil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read the whole speech and it really makes one wonder if there is anyone with real vision and ingenuity and fortitude to reach out in a meaningful way to Iran who seem to have unclenched its fist since its, hitherto, unanswered congratulatory letter to Obama in November 2008. Lets face it, as long as this Israeli lobby has a stranglehold on America&#039;s foreign policy, I don&#039;t see any real chance of a breakthrough in US-Iran relations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read the whole speech and it really makes one wonder if there is anyone with real vision and ingenuity and fortitude to reach out in a meaningful way to Iran who seem to have unclenched its fist since its, hitherto, unanswered congratulatory letter to Obama in November 2008. Lets face it, as long as this Israeli lobby has a stranglehold on America&#8217;s foreign policy, I don&#8217;t see any real chance of a breakthrough in US-Iran relations.</p>
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		<title>By: nunya</title>
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		<dc:creator>nunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>âWeâll be willing to talk to Iran and to offer a very clear choice: Continue down the current course and there will be continued pressure and isolation; abandon the illicit nuclear program and your support for terrorism, and there will be meaningful incentives.â

This is different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>âWeâll be willing to talk to Iran and to offer a very clear choice: Continue down the current course and there will be continued pressure and isolation; abandon the illicit nuclear program and your support for terrorism, and there will be meaningful incentives.â</p>
<p>This is different?</p>
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		<title>By: Islam And The West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Islam And The West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Islam And The West Accelerated Links [02/08/2009]...&lt;/strong&gt;

Lobe Log on American Vice President Joe Bidens speech the Munich security conference....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Islam And The West Accelerated Links [02/08/2009]&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Lobe Log on American Vice President Joe Bidens speech the Munich security conference&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus ca change.

Even after the selection of Biden as VP there was some hope of change that anyone might believe in. That quickly dissipated with the appointment of retreads to every major position, but I expected the phony dialogue to be sustained a bit longer.

Sadly, to the deluded left liberals who are still wearing rose blinkers can be added a proportion of poor Palestinians (at least according to the survey that you linked). Very sad indeed.

Harold Pinter was correct. Now, I believe, the only hope for the international community is a total collapse of the US economy. To paraphrase Bush : Bring it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus ca change.</p>
<p>Even after the selection of Biden as VP there was some hope of change that anyone might believe in. That quickly dissipated with the appointment of retreads to every major position, but I expected the phony dialogue to be sustained a bit longer.</p>
<p>Sadly, to the deluded left liberals who are still wearing rose blinkers can be added a proportion of poor Palestinians (at least according to the survey that you linked). Very sad indeed.</p>
<p>Harold Pinter was correct. Now, I believe, the only hope for the international community is a total collapse of the US economy. To paraphrase Bush : Bring it on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only positive thing I can see is that this was addressed towards the Europeans and was likely more geared towards assuring them that the United States would work closely with them instead of ordering them around and talking down to them as seen in the Bush administration (especially first term). But Biden has to know that, while this is addressed to Europe, it will still be studied and listened to by other states. And indeed, there was very little positive about this speech when it came to the Middle East, Iran and Palestine/Israel especially. I am a student of the Middle East and supported Barack Obama precisely because of his stated views towards the region. Nevertheless, this speech does little to comfort me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only positive thing I can see is that this was addressed towards the Europeans and was likely more geared towards assuring them that the United States would work closely with them instead of ordering them around and talking down to them as seen in the Bush administration (especially first term). But Biden has to know that, while this is addressed to Europe, it will still be studied and listened to by other states. And indeed, there was very little positive about this speech when it came to the Middle East, Iran and Palestine/Israel especially. I am a student of the Middle East and supported Barack Obama precisely because of his stated views towards the region. Nevertheless, this speech does little to comfort me.</p>
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