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	<title>Comments on: Baker Accuses Obama of &#8220;Caving In&#8221; on Israel-Palestine</title>
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		<title>By: Moishe Puipick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moishe Puipick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M., 04/26/10 common era

The Obama Administration&#039;s proposed 2-State Solution would end up being a 2-State Final Solution 2.  James A. Baker, no dummy he, knows this full well.  If it walks like a duck, etc., then it is in fact and in truth a duck.  (So what else is new!?)</description>
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<p>The Obama Administration&#8217;s proposed 2-State Solution would end up being a 2-State Final Solution 2.  James A. Baker, no dummy he, knows this full well.  If it walks like a duck, etc., then it is in fact and in truth a duck.  (So what else is new!?)</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael lange</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIchael lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel has never in its 43 years of occupation given its vision of a solution of the partition of the land between the mediterranean and the jordan River.  While shoving 500,000 israelis into the occupied territories it has made it abundantly clear that it is interested in owning all this land.  Its answer to the palestinian question is to either transfer them to Jordan or to keep them as an underclass.  Israel&#039;s or actually the Zionist axiom is that Jews are a people rather than a religion.  This is clearly not so historically, as has been pointed out by Jewish and Israeli intellectuals and historians themselves (the latest being Professor Shlomo Sand.  Zionism was founded at a time when nationalism was at tis worst and heavily influenced by German/Austrian thinkers.  israel should realize (especially considering that Jews suffered greatly in this hothouse of European nationalism--which directly led to Nazi atrocities) that its policis are outdated, dangerous for the rest of the world and untenable for its own future.
 The injustice of what is being done to the Palestinians over more than sixty years and the systematic government supported denial of the rights of more than 40% of the population of the land can and will end in calamity if nothing is done.  Jefferson was right to carefully separate religion from state politics. Why is Israel our closest ally when its policies supporting a religiosly pure state (how else to define Jews who are clearly not one people) so diametrically opposed to the multi-ethnic, multi-religious ideals of the USA.  We have all, liberal Jews and non-Jews, been intimidated to keep quiet while the faantics of AIPAC who do NOT represent the majority of American Jews--after all 76% voted for Obama--carefully twist American foreign policy to the point that we will never succed in the Middle East. 
 Until we have a one state solution in Israel/Palestine with equal rights for all the people who wish to live between the Sea and the Jordan we will continue to watch an ever intensifying death spiral by Israel.  The Netanyahu/Avigdor-lieberman regime has many overtones of fascism. It is good to see that Jewish opinion is coming forward and is beginning to realize that its interests are not necessarily linked to those of the present israeli government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel has never in its 43 years of occupation given its vision of a solution of the partition of the land between the mediterranean and the jordan River.  While shoving 500,000 israelis into the occupied territories it has made it abundantly clear that it is interested in owning all this land.  Its answer to the palestinian question is to either transfer them to Jordan or to keep them as an underclass.  Israel&#8217;s or actually the Zionist axiom is that Jews are a people rather than a religion.  This is clearly not so historically, as has been pointed out by Jewish and Israeli intellectuals and historians themselves (the latest being Professor Shlomo Sand.  Zionism was founded at a time when nationalism was at tis worst and heavily influenced by German/Austrian thinkers.  israel should realize (especially considering that Jews suffered greatly in this hothouse of European nationalism&#8211;which directly led to Nazi atrocities) that its policis are outdated, dangerous for the rest of the world and untenable for its own future.<br />
 The injustice of what is being done to the Palestinians over more than sixty years and the systematic government supported denial of the rights of more than 40% of the population of the land can and will end in calamity if nothing is done.  Jefferson was right to carefully separate religion from state politics. Why is Israel our closest ally when its policies supporting a religiosly pure state (how else to define Jews who are clearly not one people) so diametrically opposed to the multi-ethnic, multi-religious ideals of the USA.  We have all, liberal Jews and non-Jews, been intimidated to keep quiet while the faantics of AIPAC who do NOT represent the majority of American Jews&#8211;after all 76% voted for Obama&#8211;carefully twist American foreign policy to the point that we will never succed in the Middle East.<br />
 Until we have a one state solution in Israel/Palestine with equal rights for all the people who wish to live between the Sea and the Jordan we will continue to watch an ever intensifying death spiral by Israel.  The Netanyahu/Avigdor-lieberman regime has many overtones of fascism. It is good to see that Jewish opinion is coming forward and is beginning to realize that its interests are not necessarily linked to those of the present israeli government.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel Won&#8217;t Change Unless the Status Quo Has a Downside &#124; Amauta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel Won&#8217;t Change Unless the Status Quo Has a Downside &#124; Amauta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is, as former Secretary of State James Baker has noted, no shortage of chutzpah in this Israeli government. &#8220;United States taxpayers are giving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is, as former Secretary of State James Baker has noted, no shortage of chutzpah in this Israeli government. &#8220;United States taxpayers are giving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kriegman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Kriegman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Baker illegally gave Saddam Hussein over 500 Million Dollars in loan guarantees which were used in purchasing nuclear equipment from front companies such as Matrix Churchill in Ohio. This was the so-called Iraqgate scandal which James Baker, of course, avoids addressing and from which using his &quot;connections&quot; has avoided indictment and prosecution. 
The Arab demographic threat to Israel is red herring used to &quot;persuade&quot; the Jews to give up &quot;Arab&quot; land (really land designated for close Jewish settlement by the League of Nations Mandate and the San Remo Convention) again by James Baker, the author of a Princeton Bachelor&#039;s thesis supporting British foreign minister Ernest Bevin as a realist who opposed Jewish statehood. As Baker, himself, said, &quot;It&#039;s to bad what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust, but there are 50 Million Arabs and only 3 Million Jews (I guess he means those left over in Europe after the Final Solution), and we can&#039;t afford to offend those Arabs.&quot; That makes Baker a realist in the eyes of the MSM. Well, I think that makes the &quot;former US Marine&quot; Baker an ideal tennis partner for a reincarnated SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, his alter ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Baker illegally gave Saddam Hussein over 500 Million Dollars in loan guarantees which were used in purchasing nuclear equipment from front companies such as Matrix Churchill in Ohio. This was the so-called Iraqgate scandal which James Baker, of course, avoids addressing and from which using his &#8220;connections&#8221; has avoided indictment and prosecution.<br />
The Arab demographic threat to Israel is red herring used to &#8220;persuade&#8221; the Jews to give up &#8220;Arab&#8221; land (really land designated for close Jewish settlement by the League of Nations Mandate and the San Remo Convention) again by James Baker, the author of a Princeton Bachelor&#8217;s thesis supporting British foreign minister Ernest Bevin as a realist who opposed Jewish statehood. As Baker, himself, said, &#8220;It&#8217;s to bad what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust, but there are 50 Million Arabs and only 3 Million Jews (I guess he means those left over in Europe after the Final Solution), and we can&#8217;t afford to offend those Arabs.&#8221; That makes Baker a realist in the eyes of the MSM. Well, I think that makes the &#8220;former US Marine&#8221; Baker an ideal tennis partner for a reincarnated SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, his alter ego.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Lobe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Lobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Benny:

Please see http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c55_a17460/Editorial__Opinion/Opinion.html. You may want to reassess your faith in ettinger&#039;s demographic skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Benny:</p>
<p>Please see <a href="http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c55_a17460/Editorial__Opinion/Opinion.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c55_a17460/Editorial__Opinion/Opinion.html</a>. You may want to reassess your faith in ettinger&#8217;s demographic skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Benny F.</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/baker-accuses-obama-of-caving-in-on-israel-palestine/comment-page-1/#comment-110354</link>
		<dc:creator>Benny F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is all your assumptions about Demographics are incorrect?

Read recent studies on demographics that show Israeli families getting bigger and Palestinian growth slowing.  Demographer Yoram Ettinger has found that Palestinian Authority data about its growth spurt are distorted, untrue, and wildly contradict World Bank figures. He says there are 2.6 million Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, and not the 3.8 million reported by the PA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is all your assumptions about Demographics are incorrect?</p>
<p>Read recent studies on demographics that show Israeli families getting bigger and Palestinian growth slowing.  Demographer Yoram Ettinger has found that Palestinian Authority data about its growth spurt are distorted, untrue, and wildly contradict World Bank figures. He says there are 2.6 million Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, and not the 3.8 million reported by the PA.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lowlife Nazi scum on here should go convert to Islam and strap some bombs on. Israeli land will never go to those genocidal Jihadis invented as &quot;Palestinians&quot;. Go move to Mecca and marry a 9 year old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lowlife Nazi scum on here should go convert to Islam and strap some bombs on. Israeli land will never go to those genocidal Jihadis invented as &#8220;Palestinians&#8221;. Go move to Mecca and marry a 9 year old</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infidel wrote: 1. &quot;they weren’t ‘buddies’ with bush.&quot;
2. &quot;stopped saddam from controlling the persian gulf’s oil.&quot;

1. is wholly ignorant.  Bush, the CIA and the US have long-standing ties with the Kuwaiti royal family.  Those families are related to the Saudi Royal Family all close Bush family friends.

2. That is laughable.  Iran and Saudi Arabia might have something to say about that.  Which says nothing about our own presence there nor why Saddam would s#it in his own mess-kit.  Saddam could have never achieved what Goldman Sachs did in driving up oil to $147/barrel.  Complicit in this were Bush and Sam Bodman, Sec of Energy who reported we were short on oil when his own Energy dept had reported 10 weeks of oil surpluses and would enjoy another 7 more each with over a million barrels/wk surplus in gas and crude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infidel wrote: 1. &#8220;they weren’t ‘buddies’ with bush.&#8221;<br />
2. &#8220;stopped saddam from controlling the persian gulf’s oil.&#8221;</p>
<p>1. is wholly ignorant.  Bush, the CIA and the US have long-standing ties with the Kuwaiti royal family.  Those families are related to the Saudi Royal Family all close Bush family friends.</p>
<p>2. That is laughable.  Iran and Saudi Arabia might have something to say about that.  Which says nothing about our own presence there nor why Saddam would s#it in his own mess-kit.  Saddam could have never achieved what Goldman Sachs did in driving up oil to $147/barrel.  Complicit in this were Bush and Sam Bodman, Sec of Energy who reported we were short on oil when his own Energy dept had reported 10 weeks of oil surpluses and would enjoy another 7 more each with over a million barrels/wk surplus in gas and crude.</p>
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		<title>By: INFIDEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>INFIDEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last thing I want to add, not sure if anybody&#039;s reading this anymore, but the gulf war stopped saddam  from controlling the persian gulf&#039;s oil. Do you have ANY IDEA what a horrifying future that could have been for the whole world? Think about what he&#039;d do with that amount of power. Pushing out of kuwait and destroying his military and now recently his power was one of the best things the US ever did. The people whining about it can do that because a much darker history has been avoided, they&#039;re like the tea party protestors screaming &#039;socialist&#039; at president obama while enjoying medicare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last thing I want to add, not sure if anybody&#8217;s reading this anymore, but the gulf war stopped saddam  from controlling the persian gulf&#8217;s oil. Do you have ANY IDEA what a horrifying future that could have been for the whole world? Think about what he&#8217;d do with that amount of power. Pushing out of kuwait and destroying his military and now recently his power was one of the best things the US ever did. The people whining about it can do that because a much darker history has been avoided, they&#8217;re like the tea party protestors screaming &#8217;socialist&#8217; at president obama while enjoying medicare.</p>
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		<title>By: INFIDEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>INFIDEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, blaming baker and bush for &#039;leaving&#039; saddam in power makes no sense. Removing him would have required a much longer and costlier war. I&#039;m pretty sure the same people saying these things would have blamed bush and baker for the chaos that would have happened (and did with bush II&#039;s war, though I still support it) and said they should have not &#039;meddled&#039; and left him in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, blaming baker and bush for &#8216;leaving&#8217; saddam in power makes no sense. Removing him would have required a much longer and costlier war. I&#8217;m pretty sure the same people saying these things would have blamed bush and baker for the chaos that would have happened (and did with bush II&#8217;s war, though I still support it) and said they should have not &#8216;meddled&#8217; and left him in power.</p>
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