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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What disturbs me is that I WANT Democracy for the Arab world.  I BELIEVE Democracy is the only solution to the tyranny there.  Jim, why point to Palestinian elections, this is a one off event, but our support for Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait and Pakistan better describes not an occasional disdain for democracy but a long and consistent pattern of being antithetical to democracy.  Our Declaration of Independence stands as an utter condemnation of this America.  

Jim, OK the Neo-con&#039;s are full of shit, what about everyone else that endlessly regurgitates the nonsense that we support liberty?  Who in &quot;serious&quot; circles supports democracy?  Amy Goodman, you and I ain&#039;t much of a quorum.  

I love your reporting and your fight, but how the hell can the truth be so obscure to so many?  I see the whole system here falling before it gets reformed.  I&#039;m glad you see hope in Obama, I hope against reason and my senses that something will change.  

But, to protect this country we are gonna have to roll up the pentagon and legalize drugs.  Mexico is dangerously close to free-fall.  And, legalizing drugs would go a long way to undercutting their biggest threat, and legitimizing one of Mexico&#039;s best assets, agriculture.  

Domestically the Drug War is part and parcel of legitimizing the military war at home.  Simply put, we can&#039;t afford our policies.  Why are WE supplying Korea, Germany and Japan with self-defense?  Meanwhile, we are losing our ass to them economically.  

If we want to rent out our military services, I has less compliant with that.  But we are subsidizing the economies of our competitors, Why?  If we are truly offering a service, let&#039;s threaten to withdraw our forces.  If our services are truly needed, I bet we get someone to pony up.  

It&#039;s like you Jim, you work too hard for free.  You&#039;re so stupid you do 10 times the reporting of the NYTimes and WaPost combined, but you get peanuts.  If you&#039;d hold out on us, then we&#039;d probably come clamoring...  Well, maybe not, there is no premium on the truth but on advocacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What disturbs me is that I WANT Democracy for the Arab world.  I BELIEVE Democracy is the only solution to the tyranny there.  Jim, why point to Palestinian elections, this is a one off event, but our support for Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait and Pakistan better describes not an occasional disdain for democracy but a long and consistent pattern of being antithetical to democracy.  Our Declaration of Independence stands as an utter condemnation of this America.  </p>
<p>Jim, OK the Neo-con&#8217;s are full of shit, what about everyone else that endlessly regurgitates the nonsense that we support liberty?  Who in &#8220;serious&#8221; circles supports democracy?  Amy Goodman, you and I ain&#8217;t much of a quorum.  </p>
<p>I love your reporting and your fight, but how the hell can the truth be so obscure to so many?  I see the whole system here falling before it gets reformed.  I&#8217;m glad you see hope in Obama, I hope against reason and my senses that something will change.  </p>
<p>But, to protect this country we are gonna have to roll up the pentagon and legalize drugs.  Mexico is dangerously close to free-fall.  And, legalizing drugs would go a long way to undercutting their biggest threat, and legitimizing one of Mexico&#8217;s best assets, agriculture.  </p>
<p>Domestically the Drug War is part and parcel of legitimizing the military war at home.  Simply put, we can&#8217;t afford our policies.  Why are WE supplying Korea, Germany and Japan with self-defense?  Meanwhile, we are losing our ass to them economically.  </p>
<p>If we want to rent out our military services, I has less compliant with that.  But we are subsidizing the economies of our competitors, Why?  If we are truly offering a service, let&#8217;s threaten to withdraw our forces.  If our services are truly needed, I bet we get someone to pony up.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like you Jim, you work too hard for free.  You&#8217;re so stupid you do 10 times the reporting of the NYTimes and WaPost combined, but you get peanuts.  If you&#8217;d hold out on us, then we&#8217;d probably come clamoring&#8230;  Well, maybe not, there is no premium on the truth but on advocacy.</p>
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		<title>By: TutuG</title>
		<link>http://www.lobelog.com/andrew-sullivan-gets-it-about-neo-conservatisms-core/comment-page-1/#comment-40200</link>
		<dc:creator>TutuG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is has the Obama administration realised that “the democracy claptrap that neo-conservatives have spouted since 9/11 has been a facade for their core foreign-policy worldview with Israel at its heart.”? Going by Joe Biden’s speech in the Munich security conference, it seems that the penny has not quite dropped yet. Will it ever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is has the Obama administration realised that “the democracy claptrap that neo-conservatives have spouted since 9/11 has been a facade for their core foreign-policy worldview with Israel at its heart.”? Going by Joe Biden’s speech in the Munich security conference, it seems that the penny has not quite dropped yet. Will it ever?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Dupree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Dupree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I never get around to reading Sullivan.  Maybe one day I&#039;ll find myself far enough behind to understand him.

Mr. Davis is right about Wilsonians.  After all, Wilson was an overt racist, a fan of &quot;Birth of a Nation&quot; who told racist jokes in Cabinet meetings, and refused to meet with Ho Chi Minh when both were in Versailles as Wilson claimed to be promoting democracy.

I think it&#039;s perfectly reasonable to call neo-cons neo-Wilsonians.  They&#039;re overt racists uninterested in democracy, just like he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I never get around to reading Sullivan.  Maybe one day I&#8217;ll find myself far enough behind to understand him.</p>
<p>Mr. Davis is right about Wilsonians.  After all, Wilson was an overt racist, a fan of &#8220;Birth of a Nation&#8221; who told racist jokes in Cabinet meetings, and refused to meet with Ho Chi Minh when both were in Versailles as Wilson claimed to be promoting democracy.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s perfectly reasonable to call neo-cons neo-Wilsonians.  They&#8217;re overt racists uninterested in democracy, just like he was.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

To think, it only took the better part of a decade for Sullivan to realize the obvious, which is ahead of the curve as far as pundits go.

As for Wilsonians and their inconsistent veneration of democracy: Woodrow Wilson himself, despite his avowed commitment to self-determination, never cared much for extending the privilege to non-whites -- see his occupation of Haiti, for starters. That Wilson&#039;s modern day heirs share his bigoted views on depriving &quot;inferior&quot; peoples of democracy is unsettling, but not surprising considering the disdain U.S. policymakers, liberal or not, have long shown for populations that don&#039;t display absolute fealty to the U.S. government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>To think, it only took the better part of a decade for Sullivan to realize the obvious, which is ahead of the curve as far as pundits go.</p>
<p>As for Wilsonians and their inconsistent veneration of democracy: Woodrow Wilson himself, despite his avowed commitment to self-determination, never cared much for extending the privilege to non-whites &#8212; see his occupation of Haiti, for starters. That Wilson&#8217;s modern day heirs share his bigoted views on depriving &#8220;inferior&#8221; peoples of democracy is unsettling, but not surprising considering the disdain U.S. policymakers, liberal or not, have long shown for populations that don&#8217;t display absolute fealty to the U.S. government.</p>
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